If you enjoyed the 2006 election results, just wait till 2008.

Rove and Bush may very well lead the way to 55 or more democratic Senators, 275 democratic House seats, and Hillary in the Whitehouse.

.....these republican get-togethers are going to be REAL interesting to follow.

And REPUBLICANS have the gall to accuse DEMOCRATS of engaging in class warfare? Good Lord.

Wouldn't you love to have been a fly on the wall to observe the general reaction to Rove's comments among the audience? I'll bet there was general snickering and head-nodding, but not too much of the jaw-dropping, gasping response he deserved.

The source is an unnamed wife of an unnamed member of Congress...

Cute. As if one could name the wife without naming the member of Congress(*).

It reminds me of those bygone days when the Bush admin's defenders tried to claim that saying "Joseph Wilson's wife is a covert CIA agent" wasn't outing her since they didn't specifically say her name.

(*)Though I guess we know the gender of the Congressman, since the fabric of society would be rent assunder if a Congresswomen could have a wife.

I'm sure they don't have to stoop to menial labor.

Things I don't EVER want my 17 year-old son to do, by Karl Rove:

--Make beds in some Las Vegas hotel. Check.

--Work the fields in some San Joaquin Valley orchard. Check.

--Fight in Iraq. Check.

Standard inmate visitor hours once a month.

Mark Krikorian is the Executive Director of the anti-immigration Center for Immigration Studies, not just any old "National Review contributor."

In passing, I'd note that the immigrants don't want THEIR children to grow up and pick tomatoes or make beds either.

enlist in the Marine Corp and go to Iraq to take the place of some kid who is now on his third tour. In fact, if any of our soldiers and Marines need to die in Iraq, it should be Karl Rove's son. After all, it's partly his war.

Harsh? Unfair? Really?

3,115 dead soldiers, sailors and Marines dying for nothing but lies -- now that's harsh, that's unfair. Really!

Why is it so many people, even politicians, continue to make flip comments like that when the situation isn't even close the the truth...

No one will *have* to make beds in vegas or pick tomatoes if the number of immigrants in this country, illegal or not, were drastically reduced. What would happen is this (simple law of supply and demand people):

-Fewer people willing to [insert menial job here].

-Employers forced to compete with each other to get workers.

-Employers raise the salaries of people who do [insert menial job here].

-Rove's son is happy to do [insert menial job here] because, I'll be damned, it pays a living wage for once. And plus, wIth Democrats having swept the administration in 2008, that's about the only job the son of the most notorious GOP schemer in history can get (ok, this last part is wishful thinking).

Perhaps what Rove was really saying was "I don't want my 17 year old son to have to pay more for his hotel room in vegas so that the people who make the beds can receive a living wage."

Karl Rove has a son? How come we've never heard of the hatchling? Perhaps instead of picking tomatoes, we could send him to Iraq, give him a stick and instruct him to poke at suspected I.E.D.'s threatening our soldiers.

*gape* *ungape*

Where to start?

This story is obviously a hoax. For it to be true, that would mean that somewhere in this world, a woman actually allowed Karl Rove to have sex with her. It would further mean that, having sobered up and realized what she'd done, said woman actually did not hurl herself off a cliff or drink a gallon of bleach. Lastly, it would mean that a few weeks later, she did not run screaming to the nearest clinic to have the spawn of Rove exorcised from her body.

If a screenwriter pitched that story to a studio, they'd laugh him out of the office. Modern audiences may be dumb, but they're not that dumb!

If this kid truly does exist, would somebody please ask Gregory Peck to search his scalp for a funny looking tatoo?

to be picking up body parts in Iraq or making forward area MASH unit beds after KIAs are removed and put in coffins.

You know, I'm a liberal, and although I don't agree with Mark Krikorian's anti-immigration stance, what he says about menial labor being just as honorable as any other labor is right-on. The Republicans seem deep down anti-American.

Jon

Why doesn't he want to send his 17-year-old son to Iraq?

I thought the Iraq was was "the defining conflict of our generation," or somesuch? Aren't those Rove's words for it?

So why doesn't Rove want his son to be on the forefront of this all-important conflict?

Why doesn't George Bush want his daughters to be a part of this very, very important mission? (as well as the other young Bush cousins and nephews?)

How many pro-war politicians actually have children serving in Iraq or Afghanistan? I believe the number is somewhere around 3 out of thousands of politicians.

It's okay for SOMEBODY ELSE'S children to fly off and die in Iraq. Even if they die for nothing but a political throw of the dice. Because the people throwing the dice don't have to pay any real consquences.

a queer.

Now we have it- there are some kinds of honest work that Republican youth are too good to do.

I hear they are recruiting immigrants to fight in Iraq, so Karl Rove's son won't have to worry about doing that job either.

Really. I know he's from National Review and all, but read it. I found this article yesterday via Andrew Sullivan and found there to be some real substance to his arguments, particularly those regarding guest workers and the whole "doing jobs Americans won't do" argument, and how this concept - that there is honest work that is somehow beneath our dignity - is pernicious to the concept of a republic such as ours. Because what does it then say about the people who do these jobs.

Even if you disagree with him, and I know that some of us reflexively disagree with conservatives' positions, these are arguments you need to be able to address.