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That is what galls me the most about Commander Cuckoobanana. He has never been elected.

With all due respect, anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

2004

http://www.harpers.org/ExcerptNoneDare.html

2000

http://www.makethemaccountable.com/articles/The_Path_To_Florida.htm

So, in other words he lost BOTH elections and somehow we're stuck with the unimaginable disasters he has unleashed.

I'd like to see the administration come out in favor of punishments as well. After all, its not as if they have anything to lose at this point. Moreover, free trusted elections are the cornerstone of any working democracy; right now, most people just assume and accept that a certain amount of fraud is going on. Its truly sad that America's elections do not meet the international standard of fairness that we set for other countries either. Will they ever be reformed? I can't say, but I can dream...

Every legitimate recount of the votes by various parties after the Supreme Court gave the election to GWB still had GWB with a slim margin of Victory.

Arguments can be made about confused voters and votes people would have cast, but that's not how elections are counted.

Actually votes for Bush, though razor thin based on the most accepted counting methods gave Bush Florida in 2000.

As to 2004, this case, though interesting does not rise to the level of fraud of vote tampering that the tin foil hat crowd will imbue it with.

Take a look at the facts, GWB won both elections, in 2000 by an Electoral College technicality, and in 2004 by a popular majority.

I know you really want to believe that the Neocons are that evil, and that organized, but at most they are only one of those things.

This incident is a prominent part of the film. If anyone has a clip of the protion of the film, they should post the link. You actually see them say "Our random is our random."

Here is a bit from Salon's original article about the documentary:

The film also includes startling footage from the recount of punch-card ballots that Cuyahoga County, Ohio, held after the 2004 election. In Ohio, a manual recount is supposed to occur in two steps. First, a county must manually count a random sample of 3 percent of the votes -- if that sample doesn't match the original computer count, then the county must count every ballot by hand. But in Cuyahoga (the county that includes Cleveland), observers present during the first hand count noticed that the 3 percent sample of votes didn't appear to have been randomly selected -- the Bush ballots and the Kerry ballots were coming in patterns, suggesting that they'd been pre-sorted. In the film, when election workers are confronted about how they selected the "random" sample, they all but admit to picking and choosing. "Our random is our random," Kathleen Dreamer, the county's manager of ballots, says. Jacqui Maiden, Cuyahoga's Elections Division director, adds, "We have that option to select." In April, a special prosecutor indicted Dreamer, Maiden and another co-worker, alleging that they'd sorted the ballots in order to make sure that they wouldn't have to go through the hassle of a full manual recount.

and should be investigated, indicted, tried and convicted... If his sleazy campaign tactics from this past year were any indication of how he operates behind closed doors, this should be a no-brainer for prosecutors. I wonder if he and Katherine Harris shared crib notes on how to steal an election.

Sorry but Salon's review of the documentary was as one might expect a very slanted view of what was said and what occurred.

The question is whether or not the persons in question performed a manual hand count of all the votes, and then grouped a 3% lot of votes to match their preconceived results.

Aside from the logistical nightmare that would cause, it would also supersede the intended motive for this act, which is given as laziness.

Clustering of like results in a random sampling of a larger sample is not uncommon. Voting trends tend to follow party lines in localities, so if the 3% was taken from several different polling places, it is highly likely that votes at one polling place would show more votes for Kerry in a row, and at another polling place would vote for Bush in a row.

That doesn't mean the votes were counted and organized, it just means that a large number of people in one local voted like their neighbors, and a large number of people in another local voted like their neighbors.

When one realizes that voters voting at approximately the same time might have similar life styles while they are voting in the same neighborhood, it makes even more sense that their political points of view might line up.

Keep reaching; I am certain that if you just ignore as many facts as possible and clamp the tin foil hat on really tight so the CIA can't affect your brain waves, you'll get the answer you want.

Erie County prosecutor Kevin Baxter says three Cuyahoga County election workers short-circuited that process by conducting a secret pre-count to find precincts where the hand count would match the original machine counts.

Notwithstanding your long, disconnected last five paragraphs.

Cuyahoga County is the bluest county in Ohio. There's no way the county could have been rigged to go for Bush (no one would believe that) and no need to rig it for Kerry. This looks to me like it was some combination of lazy or stupid poll workers, not evidence that Ohio was stolen.

Cuyahoga County wasn't even close, and it sounds to me like the elections office wanted to make sure it didn't have to do a recount on a result that was never in question. Lazy and stupid, yes. Evidence of a Bush conspiracy, no. If this happened in Franklin County or Montgomery County, then maybe. But not in Cuyahoga.

Election fraud subverts one of the most crucial pillars of America - the fair vote. And the maximum penalty for this is 18 months?