did it influence the White House in any undo way? Indications so far are no.

And on CNN last night it was made clear that Abramoff was such a liar that they don't know if he falsified his records to look more important than he was.

Abramoff is slime no doubt, but it doesn't automatically mean that everyone he talked to was. Unless you're a dem and already think the whole Bush admin is slime.

Abramoff was such a liar? Dont you realize that this fact made him really fit in perfectly with the gang in the White House especially your estimed friend king George?

Funny thing about Bush and his White House. They will lie until confronted with indisputable evidence to the contrary. And then will keep on lying....

the big deal isn't that Abramoff is a liar.

It is that he got caught.

That is his crime.

The weasels will continue their lies as long as the press continues to obdiently reprint their quotes without pointing out that the statement is a lie. The day the newspapers decide that their job is not to the administration's lapdog and run headlines like "Mehlman continues to lie about Abramoff Connections", or "Bush lies again about reason for Iraqi invasion" is the day the lies will stop. As long as as the media is content to enable Bush & Company's alternate reality, the lies will continue unabated.

wrong again. I'm just pointing out that, like the Plame incident, you all can't just assume that A = C.

I know you want to, but you can't.

And it lasted long enough. It's out of the news cycle, public outrage has diminished - being conected to Abramoff now won't effect election results.

You were just once again bailing on one your guys who got caught.

You have had your fifteen minutes of negative attention today. Time's up. Go forth and clean up your room.

"did it influence the White House in any undo way? Indications so far are no."

You think that's all that was going on? That's ridiculous. Abramoff was only trying to buy influence with the White House? It was working both ways. Politics is all about trading favors. Tell me one thing that the White House did that Abramoff wouldn't have liked or agreed with. Or vice versa. All indications are that they were always working from the same page of the same playbook. Only an authoritarian zombie could believe otherwise.

"And on CNN last night it was made clear that Abramoff was such a liar that they don't know if he falsified his records to look more important than he was."

You can't wash your hands of Abramoff. He's a Republican operative, and never did anything the White House would have disapproved of. (Except getting caught and making them look bad.) He may be a liar, but he's Bush's liar.

"Abramoff is slime no doubt, but it doesn't automatically mean that everyone he talked to was. Unless you're a dem and already think the whole Bush admin is slime."

Look, Mehlman has done nothing but play down their association. The fact that Mehlman and Rove and Bush have all lied about the extent of their contact with Abramoff proves two things. Foremost is that they all have something very important and damaging to hide. Otherwise, why lie and cover-up? Secondly, it proves they'll lie about anything as long as it brings them what they want. and serves their purpose. You have to ask yourself: If there's nothing untoward going on, why did they lie and mislead regarding the extent of their association with Abramoff?

Only in politics will our leaders sell us out for sports tickets. Businessmen require billions of dollars in no bid/no accountablity contracts.

I'll bite.

So, Valeria Plame wasn't a NOC and she wasn't working on Iranian/Pakastanhi/International weapons of mass destruction and she wasn't outed by a White House conspiracy to destroy her and her husband's good name because those Niger documents really weren't forged and no one advised the President not to use those 16 words in the 2003 SOTUS?

Silly me. I must be so naive.

Oh, and Joe? Be careful what you say. The next President might be a Democrat who perceives you as "purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States." They you go bye-bye and enjoy the torture they now have permission to dole out willy-nilly.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092906J.shtml

See, in Joe's non-Euclidean parallel universe, George W. Bush is a kind, compassionate, intelligent, well-spoken man who hasn't been responsible for the rape, torture, murder, and wanton killing of thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people, mostly innocent. Not to mention the looting of the treasury.

Long live the King. May his memory ever be with us.

I used to think Joe just was another deluded, "kool-aid drinking" neocon. (In another post he said he was a "garbage man": I doubted that. I couldn't see him being anything other than a straight, white, christian, white-collar, upper middle class young republican. Well, if not straight, then gay and self-loathing like the rest in the Republican heirarchy.) These postings, and some others recently, make it quite clear in their buffoonish inanity that he is a "progressive" himself and is working on his Stephen Colbert-like stand up comedy routine. Not very original but better than being someone who actually believed the words they typed.

all you want but the fact is that we all agree that Abramoff was a liar, cheat and thief.

But there is nothing that indicates the admin was working with him. If something is found then so be it, but this isn't it.

meffert, you comment on my sexuality, race, job a lot. Are you looking for a date? nance is looking for someone.

From The Washington Post:

One exchange of e-mails cited in the report suggests that former Abramoff lobbying team member Tony C. Rudy succeeded in getting Mehlman to press reluctant Justice Department appointees to release millions of dollars in congressionally earmarked funds for a new jail for the Mississippi Choctaw tribe, an Abramoff client. Rudy wrote Abramoff in November 2001 e-mails that Mehlman said he would "take care of" the funding holdup at Justice after learning from Rudy that the tribe made large donations to the GOP.

So in exchange for political contributions, Mehlman made sure the Choctaw got their $16 million contract. I believe that's called a quid pro quo.

It's by no means the only example of Mehlman's favors.

In 2001, he made sure a State Department official wasn't re-nominated for his post -- the official, Allen Stayman was a long-time foe of Abramoff's.

And according to a report from the Justice Department's Inspector General, Mehlman ordered one of his suboordinates at the White House to keep Abramoff updated on issues related to Guam; Abramoff was keen to see the U.S. Attorney there replaced.