Doesn't the foiling of this plot by UK police & intelligence prove that Kerry's assesment of the war on terror as a police matter was spot on? These guys were caught and their attack thwarted without one bomb being dropped on Iraq. Tell me again how Kerry was wrong about terrorism, rightwingers? LOL

It's impossible not to politicize this. By calling out the administration for politicization, War Room is politicizing. In fact, most everyone here, myself included, has already politicized it internally as either a success or a convenience in the WOT. The first thing I thought when the news came on? Thank god someone stopped something horrible from happening. The second thing I thought? Shut the fuck up. Here we go, launched into another days- or weeks-long cycle of "reporting." Ug. The news is so unbearable these days that it ceases to serve its own mandate. Even venerable institutions such as War Room and the Times Op-Ed page have lost luster these recent years. I mean, if we were to guage the state of the world in recent weeks by exclusively reading War Room we'd have to conclude that Joe Leiberman was the erstwhile leader of the free world. Instead he is a senator from the richest (per capita) state in the union.

Ah well.

LeCastor shouldn't have called Bush's use of the term Islamic Fascists "strange" he should have called it hypocritical.

It has been five years- FIVE FUCKING YEARS- since 9/11 and Al Qaeda is still able to terrorize the world.

This administration is spending it's time making damn sure they're able to keep the world scary enough to continue to hold power. Well the gig should be just about up!

The Taliban is coming back in Afghanistan, Iraq is NOW a hotbed of terror, while it never was before, and we are off on all sorts of wild goose chases where no threats are imposed.

This better be politicized. We were able to put both the Germans and Japanese out of commision in less time than it is taking us to track down a clan of half-witted psychos.

POLITICIZE THIS!!!!

Actually, I find the odious attitudes and policies of much of the Islamic world to be fascistic, such as the wholesale expulsion of Jews after the creation of Israel (Sinclair Lewis said Jews are the barometer of how oppressive a regime is), the use of secret arrest and torture, and the pograms in various Arabic countries by whatever tribe or sect is on top against whatever tribe or sect is not.

Having said that, what I find interesting is that Bushman is now using that term. The same Bushman who, after 9/11, posed for the cameras with a group of Islamic persons to demonstrate that "Islam is a religion of peace." Later, it was found that some of the people posing with Bushman were people who spent the 1990s supporting Hamas, including demonstrations in support of Hamas outside the Clinton White House. The same Bushman who invites the Saudi princes to his dude ranch, andissues orders to the FAA that no female air traffic controllers will be allowed to sully the ears of the Saudi pilots.

So by denouncing Islamic fascism, Bush is once again late to the party, and will now once again try to cast himself as a leader.

"There they go, and I must hasten to catch up with them, for I am their leader."

P.S. LeCastor, I'm not sure what is so strange about the term "Islamic Fascists"

One of the many definitions of fascism: "Fascism is also typified by totalitarian attempts to impose state control over all aspects of life: political, social, cultural, and economic."

If that doesn't describe those who would create a world that grovels at the feet of Allah and lives by the Koran, then what does? And these people ARE Islamic, aren't they?

You should pick your criticisms a little more carefully.

-- AndyCrobosk

I'm actually being quite careful.

Main Entry: fas·cism

Pronunciation: 'fa-"shi-z&m also 'fa-"si-

Function: noun

Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces

1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

http://m-w.com/dictionary/fascism

Now, correct me if i am wrong, but Al-Qaeda and friends do not "exalt nation or race," and do not stand for centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader. In fact, they are more islamo-anarchists than islamo-fascists. Al Qaeda stands against many of the most dictatorial governments in the middle east, like Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda sows chaos and wants to bring governments down, not build them up. Their goals have nothing to do with establishing dictatorial states -- they are mostly interested in kicking the US out of the middle east.

You have got to be kidding me, is the Democratic party of America so feeble as not to be able to kill such stupidity with quiet dignity and serious faces? Here are some ideas for lines, seriously meant: Imagine debate-oneliners concerning the issue.

1) "I am not usually a swearing man, and I do not wish to start on TV, so Ill consign my self to asking: Where the blip is the dignity of the republican party, capitalizing while our forces unravel what may yet not be over? You can all fill in the blip yourself."

2) "It is time to treat the War on Terror as a war on criminals, not on populations. We all know we would hate someone who killed our beloved ones indiscriminately. The time for Shock and Awe is past, and the mission is not accomplished"

3) "These nationalistic flagwavers that want the public to hate and fear say that the ones opposing the current administrations policies "have decided that the war on terror is passe. How is that for a message to the troops, eh? How is that for respect for the public debate? As if the concerned citizens are nothing but an effeminate bunch of fashion followers?"

4) "To seek to stabilize and humanize the politics of the american warmachine is not a desertion of our troops, but a serious concern for their deployment and training. The US armed forces are the sons and daughters of normal american citizens, and do not deserve the level of vaudeville our republican opposition falls down to."

5) "Let the money talk and all that other stinking manure walk. Haliburton and a handful other companies have more or less taken over the running of the American state. Do we want another New Orleans with underfunded budgets and huge tax-cuts for the rich?"

Get agressive, Dems. Now.