Letters to the Editor
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New meeting place
I suggest Signatures...
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silly, silly kos
things like this is why people make fun of the kossacks, etc. what kind of democractic force operates in this manner? if the kos school is to turn the democrats into the delay republicans, i'll take the check please. you people need to grow up. btw- wonderland is a good spot for people who are not as childish as this sorry group of self-absorbed "netizens." please don't drag it into this. pathetic. bloggers are dorks.
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New watering hole
Please, God, let it not be the Toledo Lounge. I like that place.
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Yikes! Blogger envy!
It is so hard to become the part of the blogger elite! You just have to be able to breathe.
Still it really funny to see the transparent resentment expressed by anonymous trolls who can't stand the fact that people who work hard and have good minds are finally coming into their own.
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Time Out!
The Revolution has not even happened yet but the revolutionaries are already fighting among each other?
Take a deep breath, all of you, and calm down.
The goal is to throw the corrupt GOP out of Congress in November, and to clip the wings of Cheney and His Boy - Toy President.
Let us focus on that as the short-term objective. Medium-term, we need to throw the GOP out of the White House. Let us focus on that too.
There will be plenty of time for infighting. Now is just not the right time.
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Kos was right
That's one big problem with your analysis. TNR is a worthless place, where the occasional good post is leavened by tons of "Lieberman crap," as it were. Iraq war promoters. Neo-Republican simps. Its circulation is crashing because it represents nobody but its writers and its highly idiosyncratic publisher.
I say Kos was calling it right, and your whole article gives this story far too much importance, even if true.
In fact, under Salon's new management, I keep seeing symptoms of the Salon/TNR disease. Kinsley? Good writer. Terrible editor.
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Here is something that ought to be required reading....
...for bloggers and Internet 'activists' of all stripes, whether lefties, righties, or whatever:
http://www.newyorker.com/critics/atlarge/articles/060605crat_atlarge
The fact that no one was naturally inclined to follow him made him the man left standing after all the obvious leaders had worn themselves out shouting. Jean Anouilh, in “Poor Bitos,” a now forgotten play from the nineteen-fifties, tried to draw the character: grave, charmless, touchy, proud, easily mocked, and just as easily, and murderously, offended. It is a type who could almost be mistaken for a secularized version of the religious inquisitor, burning heretics not out of hatred but out of love for the higher cause. But Torquemada and the other inquisitors were full-time fanatics who would modestly admit to the description. Robespierre and his closest collaborators were, in their own view, not fanatics but men of feeling and mind; they just happened to be right, that’s all, and what was one to do with the people who insisted that they weren’t?
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Disappointed in Michael Scherer
Michael Scherer writes things like "How delicious. Zengerle appeared to have found evidence of top-secret, backroom arm-twisting that proved the liberal blogosphere was one giant conspiracy controlled by a few, power-hungry dictators." Delicious? Really? Is Mo Dowd in the house?
Damn if I saw any such evidence from Zengerle, much less the appearance of evidence. What I saw was all too typical TNR style mean-spirited (Mickey Kaus inspired?) spite and jealousy. Yeah, jealousy. And speaking of the great green demon, I wonder if it hasn't managed to stick a fork in Scherer as well.
What's wrong with asking people to drop (what few remain) subscriptions to TNR? What's wrong with posting a public business telephone number so people can complain? (Note that TNR only allows blog comments from paid subscribers so that avenue is effectively cut off from the 99.999 percent of America that does not pay for the rag.)
I'm sorry to see this sort of crap (yes, crap) taking up space in Salon's war room. And I'm definitely disappointed in Michael Scherer. Sadly, disappointment seems to be the most common reaction to too many stories and posts at the once great Salon.com. The great writers have left, the mediocre remain and I guess mediocrity is the expected result.
In the future, don't waste our time with this crap. There really are important issues and events happening out there. This non-story is not one of them.
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The Vast X Conspiracy
This is about as shocking as the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy that was mostly a fax list sent out from Tom Delay's office and those "secret" meetings at America in DC's Union Station. Every corporate lobbyist in DC was on the list , and invited to the meetings (I was, and I was nobody to them), but the MSM barely touched it. I'm curious to see if the MSM picks this up or if they (rightly) consider email lists and conference calls to be standard forms of communication in modern political organizing.
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Blog wars
Thanks Michael for giving us some of the background of this story.
I am still curious though as to why someone from the so-called “smoke-filled backroom” would leak the email to the TNR. Also, who was that person. I guess time will tell.
I see nothing wrong with liberal bloggers getting together to discuss strategy. If the establishment Dems were doing their job, there would be no need for alternative voices.
The right-wingers have gotten their message machine down to a science. The liberal bloggers are simply trying to fill the void on the left to counter the lies and misinformation which emanates from that group.
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don't do gossip - you're not very good at it
"The New Republic betrayed, once again, that it seeks to destroy the new people-powered movement for the sake of its Lieberman-worshipping neocon owners," Moulitsas wrote on DailyKos, sounding every bit like a power-crazed dictator.
The quote is OK. But I don't see how this makes Markos look like a "power-crazed dictator".
Perhaps to put this tiff in persepctive you could have contrasted the enrollment numbers for TNR with the page hits for Kos, as both have varied for the past five years. Once upon a time, TNR was worth reading. It isn't anymore.