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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:00 AM

Playing games with breaking the law

Frist tries to embarrass Democrats on Feingold resolution. Do they really need the help?

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 06:52 AM

You're overlooking one important aspect of wingnut logic.

Only people who support the President are Americans.

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 07:11 AM

i have a short blog entry

relevant to this and my view of the fourth amendment protecting us from the intrusion of an egregious government.

find it here: http://aeoliandissonance.com/bbdblog/2006/02/12/black-and-white/

apologies if pimping is frowned upon...it's hard out here...

barry

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 07:43 AM

That's an interesting topic for discussion

Are "true" Americans -- as opposed to those who just happen to be born here and can't afford to and/or are too entrenched in a rut to go live somewhere else more civilized like the countryside of Italy or France or peaceable escapement such as Costa Rica or Tibet (sorry, I digress) -- the ones who display the patrio-fascist yellow or red-white-blue stickers from China-supplying Wal-Mart on their gas-guzzling SUVs while blindly following the lead of a lying incompetent immoral President from a party which will stoop to any underhanded tactic to win, OR are the true Americans those who hold the ideals of the Constitution and Bill of Rights and the Founding Fathers above the next-to-nonexistent threat that some dark-skinned turban-wearing religious jihadist, who hates our guts because of the very reason that Americans don't seem to believe in anything outside of their immediate realm of personal gratification, is hiding under the bed?

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 07:59 AM

MSNBC Backs Republicans, Backs Down on Censure

When MSNBC ran the story on Feingold's censure resolution yeterday, they solicited responses from readers, and promised to run them throughout the day. After that, there was not another peep about reader responses, but later in the day, MSNBC ran a prominent article on how the resolution had backfired.

Was I the only reader to respond? In my response, I suggested that Bush should not only be censured, but impeached, because he has clearly broken the law and even worse, holds himself above it. With Bush's approval running at 36% and Impeach signs blossoming along the 128 corridor around Boston, I find it hard to believe that MSNBC did not receive overwhelming support from the public for censure and even impeachment.

What happened here? Why were they running the Republican bull* line about "aid and comfort to the enemy" as if it were a serious political point just a few hours after asking the public to weigh in on censure?

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 08:14 AM

"Cowards"

If only Democrats would take a lesson from the Bush 04 playbook: "Swing voters" don't care too much about what you voted for as long as you have conviction. They hate: flip-floppers, wishy washy, indecisive people; even people who thought Bush was wrong were impressed by his decisiveness (and divisiness, I suppose). So, Democrats, stand up for something, ANYTHING, for goodness sake, and see if the voters support you.

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 08:24 AM

Democrats are an embarrassment

The president broke the law. The law said he needed warrants and he didn't get them (and we still don't know WHO exactly he was spying on). I've yet to hear a legal scholar who says he hasn't broken the law. I've heard a lot of blithering about "inherent authority" from Republicans, but that's just ass covering spin, and everyone, including the people at MSNBC, knows it.

Censure is a modest response to what the president has done, and if the Democrats can't get behind Feingold on this one, we need to find new people to replace them. (ie, Ned Lamont.)

The president's approval ratings are at a record low. Nearly fifty percent of the public didn't even vote for the guy, and he's more unpopular now than he was then. Who are the Democrats afraid of offending? Karl Rove?

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 08:46 AM

Censure

Why should they back censure? It would only give cover for the Republicans when Iraq is lost? They would say the Democrats were responsible for losing Iraq.

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 09:27 AM

I No Longer Support Democrats

The Democratic leadership is an embarassment. They're all looking out for their own skins and are unable, or unwilling, to mount any kind of sustained offensive against Bush. The public doesn't care about investigations; they care about political leaders mapping out a firm stand and holding their ground. Each and every day Democrats should be calling out Bush's failures; demand Rummy's resignation; and push for censure.

Anything less marks them as the cowards that they are.

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:40 AM

Unbelievable!

You know, the way these Democrats blow one opportunity after another never fails to make my head spin. The second Frist proposed that, they should have voted for it in lock step, and then hung it around his neck. "Sorry, Mr. President! But this is one time that we actually agree with the Senate Majority Leader!"

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:23 AM

Re: Censure

Uh, right. The Democrats should always ask themselves "is it possible the Republicans might say something mean about me if I do this?" before taking any sort of action.

Why not just repeal the 4th and 5th amendments? If we don't go along with it, the Republicans might say we would have won in Iraq if it wasn't for obstructionist Democrats.

Why not dissolve the Democratic Party and make Bush the Supreme Emperor of America? Then the Rpublicans really wouldn't be able to blame Democrats for anything anymore. That would show them!

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:47 PM

Thank you, Mr. Grieve ...

... for consistently being one of the most reasoned (and reasonable) political analysts at Salon, or anywhere else, for that matter. Your position on this, as with most issues, is hard to argue with and extremely well-written. I just hope the Democrats read your pieces.

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 02:24 PM

Is it time for a new "liberal" or "labor" party?

Let me get this straight: partisan republicans (pardon the redundancy) impeach the last democratically-elected president over nothing. Then there is a fictitious election, and a fictitious president for fictitious reasons starts a very real and very disastrous war. Then the fictitious president really screws up, and lets slip the fact that he has knowingly and intentionally broken the law and violated the U.S. Constitution. And instead of apologizing, he says he's glad he broke the law, and that he'll continue to break the law, because he is above the law, or he IS the law, l'etat c'est moi, pardon my French. The so-called republicans in congress refuse to do anything to try to save the republic, so Sen. Feingold, as a last resort, bravely introduces a censure resolution. Yet his "fellow democrats" refuse to stand with him, in deference to Cheney & Junior.

Are you freakin' kidding me? Imagine if a President Clinton, or a President Gore or President Kerry, repealed the Constitution by declaring himself above the law. Do you think any republican would now be talking (and talking very loudly) about anything OTHER than his (or her) immediate resignation or impeachment?

Even America's corporate media, despite all of its problems, seems to be waking up and starting to do its job again. Why are the professional Democrats so completely and utterly worthless? There is no excuse for this.

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