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Well put, johnalive! (" Biden has consistently been a source of weakness in the Democratic party by undermining its role as the opposition party. I hope people remember that if [he] runs for president.") Biden has already declared that he's in the 2008 presidential race so let's hope he decides not to try to retain his Senate seat (a seat he's held since 1972!). Even if the Dems win back the Senate in the 2006 mid-term elections we'll need stronger men than Biden in 2008.