GOEDEL,

90,000 votes for Nadar and LaDuke are evidence that Nadar cost Gore the election, hard worked Florida campaign or no.

Nadar did constantly claim the "Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee" argument and Gore did use environmental themes to distinguish himself from Nadar's beneficiary, George Bush!

I do not have the URL shere but the argument is easilly made- just start5 reading old coverage on the 2000 campaign.

I saw Nadar twice- both times he blasted Gore and left Bush entirely alone.

Bush, if fact allowed Nadar and LaDuke to do all the hatchet work for him against Gore.

Perhaps , as with most Green/Nadar supporters, you don't get around Newspaper copy very much. In any case you are wrong wrong, wrong that Nadar had no effect upon Gore's "Bad campaigning" in Florida, late 2000.

Dear Walter,

It bears repeating every time I get the chance.

Nadar/LaDuke polled 97,000 in Florida on that Tuesday night/Wed. morning back in November 2000.

97,000 voters went for Nadar/LaDuke when all Gore needed was 600 or so of those very votes to keep this country from becoming the HellHole Police State of Torture, suffering Undercaste and unending war thst it has become under the Cheney protocols.

Nadar did that to us and even campaigned in states where he was not on the ballot.

His and LaDuke's favorite tagline:

"There is not one dime's worth of difference between Bush and Gore"

They reperated that lie hundreds of times between 1999 and Nov. 2000.

If Nadar Picks Edwards, now, you better know we should all go anothere way. It is probably another one of Nadar's Ego Ticks to keep Cheney in power.

To Hell with Ralph Nadar and Wynonna LaDuke!

Maybe you or any of the rest of the Nader-is-so-pure crowd never had to live in a town where Republicans took control by less than ten votes and then had to watch while they attempted to close public schools that were among the top 1% in state performance

I can't say I have been. But then again, you don't mention the town, so I have no clue whether what you're saying is true or not. I, on the other hand, DO live in a state (SC) where its Governor (Mark Sanford) appointed a young earth creationist, homeschooling mom (Katherine Maguire) head of the state school board, and who is seeking to reject biology textbooks that mention evolution from high school curriculum and trying to rig up school vouchers. So stick that in your "Self-righteous" craw.

"constant obstacle in an abundance of states for people like me fighting door to door to keep extremely close state and local races from "turning red"

How so? Nader wasn't running for Mayor of Dayton after all. He was running for President. Despite your anguish at people expressing political opinions different than yours, theres no reason to believe that the Nader vote had anything to do with down ballot voting, especially in areas where there were no Green candidates present. If more people voted for a Republican in a local race, I doubt they were driven to it by Nader. My state bucked the national trend of electing Democrats in 06 by reelecting a do-nothing Republican Governor.

"Gore very well would have at least said "Come again?" when listening to the contents of the August 6th of 2001 memo. He definitely wouldn't have cabinet members cook up phony trash intel to start a war with a country that didn't attack us on 9/11 and get thousands of innocent people killed."

But, oddly enough, his own former party-mates, INCLUDING the wife of his former boss, didn't have a problem with it. Even most Democrats in retrospect, ala the Vietnam War, have more problems with the execution of the war, than the idea itself (that nation building, military intervention, and the armed occupation of a country can create 'peace').

So stop feigning the victim card and stop blaming the failure of your political heroes on anyone but themselves.

I'm frankly pretty tired of that viewpoint from your and other Nader apologists' narrow prism. I never said Gore or Kerry ran good campaigns. Far from it. But trusting the wrong people to run thier campaigns doesn't make them cowards who lack principles or full blown traitors to The New Deal. Furthermore, Nader wasn't on the ticket strictly in the state of Florida. He and his overly self righteous supporters were a constant obstacle in an abundance of states for people like me fighting door to door to keep extremely close state and local races from "turning red". Not every Democrat in 2000 or '04 for that matter was part of some Washington establishment elite and certainly didn't have some unlimited money supply or well-financed media campaign you alluded to as a means to vanquish Nader's spoiler presence.

Maybe you or any of the rest of the Nader-is-so-pure crowd never had to live in a town where Republicans took control by less than ten votes and then had to watch while they attempted to close public schools that were among the top 1% in state performance. I'll guarantee you that people here who bought that Nader 2000 bull only to watch how Republicans ran things didn't turn off to him in '04 because of some Democratic hit job. Just because you keep insisting that Nader didn't spoil it for Gore doesn't mean he didn't spoil it for plenty of communities all over the country where people were fighting like mad to hang on to Progressive ideals. Anybody doing even two hours of objective research on Bush's and Gore's backgrounds in 2000 would have come to the conclusion that one was intelligent and could handle complex challenges and the other was clearly too stupid to belong there. Nader parading around with his "there's no difference" act, whether it cost Gore or not, was an insult to the truth.

Gore very well would have at least said "Come again?" when listening to the contents of the August 6th of 2001 memo. He definitely wouldn't have cabinet members cook up phony trash intel to start a war with a country that didn't attack us on 9/11 and get thousands of innocent people killed. He certainly wouldn't have loosened pollution standards on big business or jam incompetent cronies into key government positions like FEMA like his "clone" did. Had Nader just admitted even once that America would have been spared tremendous grief had Bush not been in The White House and that he would have done things differently had he known how badly Progressive institutions would be put in peril, I might not have such a blatant disdain for the man.

But he hasn't. Don't try to pin his even more pathetic run in '04 on some Democratic conspiracy. By then, plenty of people learned the hard way that Nader was full of it. They had every reason to ignore him then just as Edwards has every reason to ignore him now.