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As I watch each debate, it becomes more and more obvious that there are two levels of candidates-- there are the pros, and then there is Obama. The guy has *nothing* to say. He is the epitome of an empty suit. I don't even see this alleged charisma people keep talking about. Hillary can hang with the real players to some extent, but the unfortunate truth for Democrats is that she is a double-talking corporatist who actually IS afraid of taking on the Republicans. Battle scars? How about her weak-kneed voting record?