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Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:00 AM

Dick Cheney's losing his old black magic

Mr. Secret Bunker calls Obama "afraid." Wingnuts clap, world yawns. Plus: I debate Tom Tancredo on Cheney

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Thursday, October 22, 2009 02:07 PM

Joan Walsh

Where do I begin? How does a man who spent much of his vice presidency hiding in a secret bunker get off accusing the president of being "afraid?"

Cheney didn't hide in a bunker because he was scared. Cheney hide in a bunker because he was a secretive operator who didn't want people knowing what he was up to.

Thursday, October 22, 2009 02:12 PM

If Obama is better than Cheney

Let him bring home the troops now.

If Cheney is a chickenhawk, then tell me, what war did Obama serve in and why are Americans still dying under Obama's "leadership?"

Thursday, October 22, 2009 02:37 PM

Joan, you are heartless. You want innocent grandchildren

spending time with that psychopath. Lord help us if he takes them hunting.

Thursday, October 22, 2009 02:44 PM

Liz will ztep up too

Get ready for another Liz Cheney screed. She who doesn't let the truth get in the way of a good lie...

Thursday, October 22, 2009 03:01 PM

You gotta love a fat, old, draft-dodging coward with a bum ticker . . .

opening his mouth and proving conclusively that multiple cardiac events can lead to early onset dementia.

My favorite part is when he whines about torture being called torture. And by the way, ya blow-hard gas bag, let's take a look at what Susan Crawford, convening authority of the military commissions at Guantanamo Bay, appointed by Bush Administration, and a retired judge who served as general counsel for the Army during the Reagan administration and as Pentagon inspector general had to say about what you ordered:

We tortured [Mohammed al-]Qahtani, said Susan J. Crawford, in her first interview since being named convening authority of military commissions by Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates in February 2007. His treatment met the legal definition of torture.
Thursday, October 22, 2009 03:08 PM

Uh-huh..

This is just exactly what you need to repeat ALL over again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L55xPC_phtc&feature=player_embedded

Thursday, October 22, 2009 03:29 PM

Begone wretch!

Every time I see a picture of Dick Cheney, I am reminded of P.W. Botha the demented maniac leader of Apartheid South Africa who finally had to face the fact that he had outlived his usefulness and that the sick society he tried to build and defend was being dismantled in front of his eyes. The over riding question is why hasn't this man been extradited to the Hague to stand trial for the war crimes he so proudly committed from his bunker. I understand Spandau Prison is nice this time of year. Cheney needs to be lodged there for the next 500 years. That is where President Obama really needs to step up and take action.

Thursday, October 22, 2009 03:42 PM

What is a "responsible Republican"?

Anybody with a shred of personal responsibility left the Republican party sometime between 1994 and 2004. There is not one single viable excuse for voting for GW twice nor for supporting any of the Republican platform any time since the "Contract on America" was written. Anybody who says different is probably one of the remaining lying sacks of shit that make up what's left of the Republican base.

Thursday, October 22, 2009 03:52 PM

If Obama listened to progressives and lost this war on purpose, Joan

Cheney would get his old black magic back.

Once the Taliban are back in control, the sociopaths will go back to what they specialized in back in the nineties -- using their special flair for showmanship to keep their escalating atrocities against Afghan women and children on the world center stage.

Right now the backdrop to Cheney consists of a war in progress, with many people arguing over how the war should progress. Of course nobody cares what he says. he's just one more voice in an already seething debate.

If we were to pull out of Afghanistan and just hand it over to the Taliban as you desire, then Cheney will find a new backdrop to speak against and it will be a traumatizing and horrific backdrop of a return to the mass atrocities of Taliban rule in the late nineties.

Republicans weren't that strongly affected by Taliban atrocities back in the nineties, because both they and the Democrats were too excited by Bill Clinton's penis to care about atrocities against Afghan women and children.

But if we hand Afghanistan over to the Taliban, the renewal of those mass atrocities and the extermination campaigns against ethnic minorities will not be ignorable, because the Taliban are great showmen and they crave public attention and they enjoy making the civilized world feel helpless.

The Taliban are going to make such a sopciopathic world spectacle out of our abandonment of Afghan women and children that the Democrats will suffer just like we suffered in 1980 when the Soviet Union drove their tanks into Kabul and helped put Ronald Reagan in power.

Thursday, October 22, 2009 04:16 PM

A positive thing to do in all this strife and gloom

I browsed the website anysoldier.com and found soldiers who have a lot of contact with the locals and are asking for things like shoes and pens and paper they can give to the local children.

I've read that pens and paper are especially prized because the children can use them to practice reading and writing.

If you send shoes, remember that Muslims have to take their shoes off to pray five times a day, so send shoes that can come off and go back on easily.

Thursday, October 22, 2009 04:21 PM

it's a pity,..

that Obama can't simply have Cheney arrested on some trumped-up treason/sedition charges.

Thursday, October 22, 2009 04:24 PM

Your comments on the Ed Show about Afghanistan

Dear Joan, first of all, I just want to say that I really enjoy your commentary and arguments on various cable networks. Please keep it up. On Afghanistan: Sen Carl Levin stated on CNN, a week or two ago, that General McCrystal himself, in his report, advised the President to take his time in deciding on a new strategy for Afghanistan. Levin should know as he is Chairman of the Arms services Committee and has read the McCrystal report. Republicans are falsely complaining that Obama is not listening to his top general when in fact he is... Also, if we adopt a "long-term" strategy in Afghanistan and "hope" to train an Afghan army to eventually take over control, who will pay for this army? Afghanistan's GDP is a paltry $32Billion. An army of 110,000 troops would cost at least $3 to $4 Billion/year to maintain and operate. Good luck, Karzai in getting that extra cash from the local tribe leaders and the drug lords. Never in a thousand years... Cheers, Larry Martin

Thursday, October 22, 2009 04:43 PM

The Afghan War is the Trojan War in reverse

Both wars are dividing lines between myth and history. The Trojan War, about 1200 BCE, was the last mythical war. After the Trojan War, facts and reality became more important than myths about mighty warriors and the gods' favor.

Now, we are slipping back into myth. In the Afghan War, myths of American Righteousness and American Might have begun to take precedence over facts and history and truth.

Mr. VP Cheney chooses myth over reality. Yuk.

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