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Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:00 AM

Trusting Walter Cronkite

We know no one else will ever be able to say "And that's the way it is." Can anyone emulate his truth-telling?

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Monday, July 20, 2009 05:53 AM

The Bush Story

Check the bloody archives of The Boston Globe.

Monday, July 20, 2009 06:25 AM

@Cuchulain2007 -- I'm really not a Palin fan boy.

I'm just not a fan of misogyny. And I'm certainly not a fan of Salon (especially Joan) pretending to condemn misogyny when Salon uses it shamelessly whenever it serves their agenda.

Monday, July 20, 2009 06:27 AM

Walter Cronkite the meshumid

Cronkite is a German/Yiddish word meaning sickness. Walter, born a Jew, is a meshumid. That is, he has violated the second commandment of the Decalogue - "You shall not recognize the gods of others before My Presence." He has chosen to burn both his body and his soul.

Monday, July 20, 2009 07:33 AM

I think we have one

I think if you watched Rachel Maddow face off against Pat Bucanon the other night over Sotomayor you might not be so cynical. Rachel told Pat he was dating himself with his cry about old poor put-upon white men and how they are naturally smarter therefore deserve everthing nature has bestowed on them.....she spoke of her dismay over his remarks and point of view; she didn't let him spew his biotry unanswered as so many host do. She spoke up and called him on it all and yet as they closed the segment they both remained civil. No shouting no insults just open honest retort. She's new and young but she's smarter and hard hitting with a style and humor unequaled in her peers.

Monday, July 20, 2009 07:41 AM

Virtue - Joan will never take responsibility for the sexism you mentioned at Salon.

Joan likes to sing the praises of Cronkites' integrity, but the truth of it is -- she doesn't have an ounce of it herself. She proves it every time she cuts and pastes the latest leftist talking points into her crappy little posts. She's a joke.

Monday, July 20, 2009 08:13 AM

not too young

as a young person in college when JFK was assassinated, i do remember walter cronkite and what he meant to all of us. when i think back now to the defining moments of my young adulthood and how it has shaped who i am now - the assassinations of JFK, MLK, Bobbie, the vietnam war, watergate, sam irwin's hearings and nixon's resigning; walter cronkite was there.

the news and mr. cronkite informed not entertained. newsmen such as mr. cronkite, unlike the david gregory's of today, held firmly to bringing truth to the american people without injecting themselves or their own agenda.

i never felt the "uncle walter" sentiment but i definitely do not share the "uncle pat" sentiment for a man who advocates using whatever emotion and motive, including racial hatred and divide, to retain power.

Monday, July 20, 2009 08:22 AM

re-thinking "uncle pat"

from tom friedman's column in yesterday's nytimes: It’s about the war of ideas within Islam — a war between religious zealots who glorify martyrdom and want to keep Islam untouched by modernity and isolated from other faiths, with its women disempowered, and those who want to embrace modernity, open Islam to new ideas and empower Muslim women as much as men."

how is this different and to what degree are the words of pat buchanan and those of his ilk?

Monday, July 20, 2009 09:55 AM

@Virt--My mistake

My post about a "slight disagreement" started out solely addressed to Cuchulain2007; I added you but didnt adjust my post accordingly. Yes, on Russert, you and I actually agree. Russert didnt come without his flaws, but I always felt that he called things pretty even-handedly. Friends of mine will attest to how upset I was to learn of his passing. From everything I've ever heard or read about Tim Russert, he was a very decent individual. I've heard the same things about Cronkite.

Monday, July 20, 2009 10:13 AM

virtue001, you're all too transparent.

And everyone can see it.

I don't recall you ever, ever making a stink about the treatment of any other woman but Palin. No other woman. Period. Did you ever talk about how badly Sotormayor has been treated, for instance? Or Hillary, before she thought about running for prez, going back years and years? Or her daughter Chelsea? Ever write a post condemning Limbaugh for his treatment of her? Limbaugh has been a sexist, misogynist pig for two decades. I've never seen you condemn him here. Or Pelosi? The right has been vicious when it comes to her. How about O'Reilly's treatment of Joan Walsh recently?

How about Ann Coulter's attacks on the 9/11 widows?

Point me to one single post by you condemning the horrible treatment of women NOT on your side of the political spectrum.

This isn't about women, as far as you're concerned, and you know it. It's clearly about ideology. Palin is a hard-right conservative. You can't stand a hard-right conservative being attacked. So you hide under a trumped up charge of "misogyny". Again, you don't know the meaning of the word, but you hide behind it anyway.

You have zero credibility here, and everyone can see you're shedding crocodile tears for women. The issue for you is political ideology, not gender. And it's obvious.

Monday, July 20, 2009 10:55 AM

@Cuchulain2007

"I don't recall you ever, ever making a stink about the treatment of any other woman but Palin."

I really haven't had to, my friend. Joan has covered that territory vociferously for many, many years, especially in defense of Hillary. My problem, as I've said so often, is how selectively Joan and other writers at Salon defend women against misogyny -- meaning that they only defend woman on their end of the political spectrum. THAT'S where the transparency lies. Not with me. Sadly, the only one who has zero credibility on the subject of misogyny, given the many examples I've cited time and time again, is Joan.

Monday, July 20, 2009 11:18 AM

@virtue001

That sounds like the definition of a copout. So, you refrain from discussing the horrifically bad treatment of progressive/liberal women by the right, because Salon does that for you?

You entrust Salon to do it, even though you condemn them for BEING misognynist?

Yeah, that makes sense.

Come on, virtue. Just admit it. This isn't about women at all. It never, ever was. This is about politics, pure and simple.

And ask yourself this: How many conservatives were involved (are involved) in the fight for women's rights and liberation? Compare that with the numbers of liberals/progressives in that battle.

The shortest book every written: Conservative contributions to women's rights and the feminist movement.

Also, here's the definition of misogynist:

Main Entry:

mi·sog·y·ny

mə-ˈsä-jə-nē

Function:

noun

Etymology:

Greek misogynia, from misein to hate + gynē woman — more at queen

Date:

circa 1656

: a hatred of women

From wikipedia:

Misogyny (pronounced /mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is hatred (or contempt) of women or girls. Misogyny comes from Greek misogunia (μισογυνία) from misos (μῖσος, "hatred") and gynē (γυνή, "woman"). It is parallel to misandry—the hatred of men or boys. Misogyny is also comparable with misanthropy which is the hatred of humanity in general. The prefix miso, meaning 'Hatred' or 'To hate' applies in many other words, such as misandry, misocapny, misarchy, misoxeny and misopodysy
Marcus Tullius Cicero reports that Greek philosophers considered misogyny to be caused by gynophobia, a fear of women.[1] In the late 20th century, feminist theorists proposed misogyny as both a cause and result of patriarchal social structures.[2]

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