Needs to pose the question to Craig........Were you born that way or was it a choice?

Buchanan does have a point, though maybe not the one he was thinking about. Both Craig and the hypothetical alcoholic priest are engaging in behavior they claim is wrong. Craig, and this is the part that galls me, didn't just like differently than he spoke, but he campaigned on condemning the sexual morality of others and knowingly voted to make the lives of other people harder. To follow Buchanan's analogy, to be similar, the priest would have to publicly condemn other alcoholics and seek to make their lives tougher, like kicking them out of the congregation. Or prohibiting alcoholics from marrying.

So I don't care that Craig or the imaginary priest is a hypocrite. The problem is they cover their hypocrisy by deliberately screwing up other people's lives.

Larry Craig says he isn't gay. Who are we to officially claim he is gay? He could be:

1. Gay and lying to all of us

2. Gay and lying to himself

3. Bi-sexual

4. Just a plain ole freak

My bet is on "Option Two," though.

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And please don't make any "Option Two" jokes.

Thanks Joan!

Is when the Craigs of the world lug out their wives with them as a prop before the media in these situations. Jesus that has to sting........And they said Bill abused Hillary.

And fell on some guy's cock. I'm sure.

Of course the dominant culture gets to define "normal." According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, being gay is not a disease, but once it was considered so.

However, I think it might be more logically argued that Christian fundamentalism of the rabid type is often a form of brainwashing and that gay people may be traumatized if they are brought up within that religious culture. Of course, Pat Buchanan is a hardly likely to agree with that, and I suspect, Joan, that you would not want to argue from that position.

Can Larry Craig actually believe being gay (or bisexual) is wrong and still engage in same sex relationships? Of course he can. In fact I know people who do exactly this. However, Craig has been a politician so long and has been anti-gay so long that it is hard to believe that he is not a cynic about the whole issue and merely serving political ends. I mean, how old do you have to be before you have an epiphany?

He was reeling and hanging on the ropes. Then Dan Abrams jumps in and waves you back to your corner and decides to let Buchanan spew more. "Let him finish, let him finish," Abrams said to you.

We are left to wonder how you would have beat this imbecile unconscious with just a few more sentences if Abrams would have let you continue.

Abrams threw the fight, as far as I'm concerned.

Joan, when you get on the drooling baby-head's show tonight, please go after Tucker Carlson with everything you've got.

I know, Carlson was caught off balance last night and said some things that were probably not true. But true or not, what he expressed was that he is a homophobe of the first water who feels like if a gay man makes a pass at him, it's OK to go get a couple of buddies and go beat the shit out of him.

That should not go without comment tonight on Hardball.

To make matters worse, according to Media Matters, MSNBC has scrubbed the transcript and edited the video to remove Carlson's call to violence against gays.

Come out swinging tonight Joan and don't let that bastard Matthews talk all over you.

By the way, any invitations from Keith Olbermann's Countdown yet? They've been giving Rachel Maddow and Air America lots of air time lately. It's time for some Salon on Countdown. Get there quick before he asks Randi Rhodes to come on and embarrass progressives.

it's worth noting that this complex problem goes back a long way. Careful analysis of all the available evidence suggests (but no more than that, proof being impossible to come by) that the founder of the Christian Church, St. Paul, was troubled by desires for young boys. He fought this desire by declaring all such desire to be a sin.

And he set in motion 2000 years of pain. Smooth move, is all I can say.

(I'm not saying he should have had young boys...rather, that he chose a cowardly way of addressing his problem. Being of his time, he could do nothing else though, probably.)

At Buchanan....Remember his culture war in America. Behold the warriors.

"self-hating gays who crusade against gay rights are sick"

I do wish people would stop using the word sick like this, it demeans people who actually are sick, physically or mentally. Self-hating gays who crusade against gay rights are bad people, just like straight people who do that same. Denial is not a sickness, and nearly every gay person has gone through a period of denial, some even expressing homophobic feelings. It may be a destructive state of mind, but not a mental illness.

As for Mr Anonymous with his definite evidence about St. Paul, if such evidence is out there, you should write a book. In fact if such evidence existed, I am sure someone already would have.

What do you expect? Why even go on these shows? I don't understand the point, and I don't see any use for it.

Because someone HAS to!!! The left has for far too long just let the homophobes and the racists, and the misogynists and all the other crazies spew their bullshit because "reasonable" people wouldn't believe it. But most people (51% anyway) are less than reasonable and unless someone calls them on their shit, these crazies are going to keep spewing and are going to be believed by those who can be taken in by repetition.

Like Tucker Carlson?

Are these people (hypocrites) born that way, or is it a choice they make? How about being the modern intolerant version of Republican?

Whichever, Senator Craig is certainly doing his best to validate the old saw that "fag-bashing" is nothing but personal cover and overcompensation for one's own homosexual panic.

Or to drop the psychological analysis -- it's just mean-spirited bullying.