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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
"Well I have more than one good reason that Bush should be impeached. But lets deal with a violation of the constitution as a high crime and misdemeanor, he allowed torture to take place. In fact he insisted that is should. That is reason number 1."
If you're talking about waterboarding, that was used on just three terrorists and the results probably saved thousands of lives. It is debatable whether or not waterboarding actually is torute (I do not believe it is). It is also a fact that the policy of extraordinary rendition began in 1995 under Clinton. Michael Scheuer, the CIA agent who implemented the policy, says that he believes torture took place under Clinton.
http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2005/10/two_experts_on_1.html
Daniel A. Benjamin, who worked in the Clinton administration, acknowledged that torture may have taken place during the Clinton years.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/19/AR2007101900835_pf.html
"Reason number 2, he okayed spying on Americans! Another violation of law, high crime."
If you're referring to warrantless wiretaps, that was actually done on terrorist suspects calling into this country. As has been noted, you cannot connect the dots unless you are allowed to collect the dots. I would argue that it was much worse for Clinton to conduct warrantless searches of public housing.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2005/dec/22/20051222-122610-7772r/
"3. Went to war based on lies, high crime or misdemeanor? both."
Clinton also said Iraq had WMD and launched a preemptive attack on a Iraq based on that claim.
"4. He outed a CIA officer. That is a high crime."
First, Valerie Plame was not a covert agent. She drove to and from work at Langley every day for several years. A covert agent would not do that. Second, it was Joseph Wilson who actually outed Plame so-called front company, and that was years before the invasion of Iraq. According to records at www.opensecrets.org, Joe Wilson contributed $2,000 to Al Gore’s presidential campaign on March 26, 1999. At that time, the contribution limit was $1,000, so the Gore campaign returned $1,000 to Wilson on April 22, 1999. On the same day, Valerie Wilson is listed as contributing $1,000 to Gore’s campaign. Under “occupation,” Wilson listed “Brewster-Jennings & Assoc.” BTW, Joseph Wilson also said Saddam had WMD. His wife worked in the area of WMD proliferation, so perhaps he formed his opinion after talking to her. If Plame was one of those at the CIA who got things so wrong about Saddam's WMD, shouldn't we be happy that she was "outed"?
http://www.politicsoftruth.com/editorials/saddam.html
http://www.politicsoftruth.com/editorials/big_cat.html
"I came up with four reasons just off the top of my head. If a President can be impeached for lying about a blow job, not a high crime, but a misdemeanor crime, then a President can be impeached for actually violating the constitution."
Actually, Clinton committed perjury and obstruction of justice in a sexual harassment lawsuit. The "blow job" was not the reason he was impeached.
It would seem you have a very weak case for impeaching Bush. However, if Democrats think they have a good case, they might consider retroactively impeaching Clinton, who did all of this before Bush did, first. That way they would demonstrate that they are not impeaching Bush for partisan reasons.
Thank you for clarifying in your p. 9 reply to me.
Yes, I have to admit that the way you put it makes sense. We are still in a great deal of peril and people are distracted not only be the trivial but by their own pleasure taken in hate and snark and material glitter.
"In what way were the US embargo and bombing of Iraq (which led indirectly to the death of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Iraqi children) and the bombing of a Sudanese pharmaceutical company (no evidence of manufacture of chemical or biological weapons ever found), DEFENSIVE strikes?" -- fulanodetal
Horseface also forgets that the Clinton administration cited an Iraq-al Qaeda connection in justifying the attack on the aspirin factory.
"Additionally, the indictment states that Al Qaeda reached an agreement with Iraq not to work against the regime of Saddam Hussein and that they would work cooperatively with Iraq, particularly in weapons development."
http://www.sinsofthehusband.com/OsamaIndictment.pdf
This charge was left out of a subsequent indictment, but Gore, Cohen, Berger and other members of the Clinton administration told the 9/11 Commission that they still believe the intelligence was correct concerning the connection. Richard Clarke also reiterated this connection in his book, "Against All Enemies: Inside America’s War on Terror":
"EMPTA is a compound that had been used as a prime ingredient in Iraqi nerve gas. It had no other known use, nor had any other nation employed EMPTA to our knowledge for any purpose. What was an Iraqi chemical weapons agent doing in Sudan? UNSCOM and other U.S. government sources had claimed that the Iraqis were working on something at the facility near Shifa. Could Sudan, using bin Laden’s money, have hired some Iraqis to make chemical weapons? It seemed chillingly possible."
The Clinton administration made an explicit connection between Iraq and al Qaeda, yet liberals such as Horseface never call them on it. The Bush administration never made such an explicit connection, yet liberals such as Horseface scream all day about the alleged "lies."
"! That didn't answer my question at all, did it? Your (sic) still being controlled by your CDS I see. Can you or can you not point to an actual terrorist group Saddam worked with? Yes or no?" -- fightthetheocracy!
You just didn't like it. It was the Clinton State Department that designated Iraq a state sponsor of terrorism. Are you saying Clinton lied about Saddam's sponsorship of terrorism?
http://www.sinsofthehusband.com/state-sponsoredterrorism1993.pdf
http://www.sinsofthehusband.com/state-sponsoredterrorism1999.pdf
I've heard of the town of Irbil
With its
(To the average American)
Very unusual vowel sounds
But have you ever heard of the battle
Over your own fucking bowels?
Let me just finally say
That I hope you're in it
To win it...
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
219 Democrats and one Republican join in favor of the legislation, which passed by a narrow margin
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Salon headlines in your mailbox
