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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
Wow! That didn't answer my question at all, did it? Your still being controlled by your CDS I see. Can you or can you not point to an actual terrorist group Saddam worked with? Yes or no?
The reason the Bush Boy was unprepared for war was because he was AWOL during his first was, Viet Nam. Had his daddy not sheltered him away from it, he may have grown into a real leader who knows that war is the absolute last resort. For him it was the one and only choice. You're right, Joan, he is a loser, with a capital L. I just hope that if Jeb runs for the Senate he gets soundly defeated, i.e. - gets his ass kicked. America has had more than enough of these Bush Losers.
Again, I think, given the circumstances, the decision to invade Iraq and remove Saddam from power and allow that country an opportunity to move in a new direction was the right thing to do.
-- Mark Denney
I have a feeling that there a whole hell of a lot of dead Iraqi's as well as family of dead Iraqi's that would disagree with you there. Looks like they are really moving along in a new direction alright...
"The real question is where did all the weapons of mass destruction (WMD) go? It is fact that Iraq under Saddam Hussein did posses and use WMD’s. Undeniable truth lies in Saddam's use of WMD’s most notably against the Iranians and the Kurds. So if it was a fact Saddam had WMD’s, where did they go? Did Saddam use them all up, did he destroy them, did he hide them, or did he give them away? That appears to be more important question." -- Elvis P
It's THE relevant question, isn't it? However, you'll never get an answer to that question from the moonbats here. These nutcases like Horseface will say that Clinton did not lie when he said Iraq had WMD, but Bush did when he said Iraq had WMD. But they cannot tell us exactly when between Jnuary 2001 and March 2003 Saddam got rid of his WMD.
"Let's not forget, too, that since the first Gulf War Sodamn Insane had been pinned down by no-fly zones in the north and south swaths of Iraq; had UN inspectors turning the country upside down; and endured severe trade sanctions. All this over a twelve-year span. How was Sodamn Insane going to develop new weapons and more to the point, how the hell was he going to deliver them? The unreasonable fears of the Bush/Cheney cabal smacks of the fears of Vietnamese Sampans attacking the American West Coast." -- Airborne855
Of course, you moonbats have never heard of the Battle of Irbil. Irbil was in the northern no-fly zone, yet Saddam was able to march 30,000 troops into that city in 1996, take it over, and install his own man. The U.S. and U.N. did nothing (well, Clinton did order the bombing of targets in SOUTHERN Iraq.) So, obviously, the no-fly zones did not pin down Saddam.
And, again, Saddam did not cooperate with the inspectors prior to the invasion.
"More revealing are Blix’s difficulties with the Iraqis. Time and again he and his colleague Mohamed ElBaradei tried to explain to the Iraqis that they needed to cooperate for the inspections to confirm what they claimed—that they had no weapons of mass destruction. After repeated requests to talk to Saddam Hussein, which were turned down, Blix and ElBaradei met with the Iraqi vice president (a powerless Hussein stooge). At that meeting, ElBaradei sternly explained that it was ‘‘incomprehensible’’ that Iraq had not taken the steps the United Nations had demanded. There was no response….It was be-havior like this that led Blix and many others to assume that the Iraqis were not coming clean because they had something to hide."
http://www.fareedzakaria.com/articles/nyt/nytreview041104.html
Those of us who have actually studied this issue for more than a decade can only shake our heads in amazement at what is on this web site. You have complete fools such as Joan "Horseface" Walsh making it up as she goes and then you have all these little Salon myrmidons mimicking his nonsense and proving with each new post that they have no idea what they're talking about. This is nothing less than the Internet version of the "two minutes of hate."
You both raise so many points I agree with - yes, post war occupation and planning was criminally negligent. Yes, I am sure there are a lot of Iraqi's that are not happy with what has happend. Bush does bear blame for much of this.
BUT - I don't think he bears nearly as much as Rumsfeld. And yes, I think Bush was (as most CEO's are) only interested in the big picture. He had no idea what was going on on the ground until after the fact. I think his minions bear more responsibility than he does.
I do think Bush was eager to take out saddam and part of it was personal.
I think containment also produced a lot of the same kinds of horror you mention except at the hands of saddam.
So, to me, which is better...hope containment works after 12 years and all that came before or try to act. I think we made the right choice and, you're right...we did it badly. But, we did it.
"Nice try at lawyering the argument, but Bin Laden has consistently given more reasons than those three, and it's a stretch to call Iraq 2/3 of his argument, since the primary objection against troops in Saudi Arabia is their proximity to Mecca, not the reason why they're there."
Without the reason, they wouldn't have been in Saudi Arabia. And it was not just the proximity. As I noted before, Clinton dramatically increased the number of boots on the ground in Saudi Arabia.
What part of "commander in chief" did he not understand? The part where the coffins come in at Dover???? What a fake! After all let's not forget he gave up golf, his sacrifice to honor theirs! I don't care how long he waits history will not treat him well and the revisionist version of his presidency he is trying to put forth now only makes matters worst. He would do better to just take another vacation until January 20th and go back to Crawford and stay there. On second thought why does he not invite Palin to come and stay with him? They can hold each other company!
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
219 Democrats and one Republican join in favor of the legislation, which passed by a narrow margin
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