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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
I'm in the "Michelle Bernard is FOI-NE" camp, if one exists. If not, I'll start one: she is a beautiful woman.
"she is a beautiful woman"
And does she also happen to agree with most of your opinions?
Michelle Bernard is to the right of me on a lot of issues, actually. She's probably more like Amy Holmes (another quite striking woman) than a Democrat. She favors a flat tax, for example.
I know what you're trying to insinuate, but the fact that I have no patience for the NewYorkNYs of the world doesnt mean that I need a woman to concur with everything (or even most of) what I think for me to find her beautiful. I think Sarah Palin's very attractive physically, and I couldnt disagree with her more on most issues.
I dont know what dudes you've been hanging around that said they had to agree with a woman to find her fine, but that aint this brotha :).
...I just watched the 'Hardball' segment with Joan and Michelle, and I found myself agreeing more with Joan (and Chris) than Michelle. I dont have a problem with Hillary Clinton being Secretary of State, and as Chris and Joan pointed out, it would be of no benefit for her to undermine Obama in any way while she held that position, and if she is successful in it, her own ambitions to be President in 2016 would be greatly enhanced. I disagree with Joan's assessment that there was not "an inch of daylight" between the two on foriegn policy, not just because of Iraq, but also because I think that Obama's expressed willingness to meet with hostile foriegn leaders was met with scorn by Hillary initially. Be that as it may, I sided with Joan, yet still managed to find Michelle Bernard fine :).
And that's enough from me about who I do/don't find attractive.
Joan
I agree with most everything you have said and I do think Obama would not have let this go this far if he didn't WANT Hillary as Sec of State.
One thing though you said about Pres Clinton not race baiting during the campagian. Unless you are a minority, it is hard for you to understand that or know when its happening. Respectfully I respect that you didn't think he was but I saw and heard him and Yes he was.
"Look, I think that to people abroad, Obama does come off as an Uncle Tom."
Your opinion is yours. Prove the point.
If Hill can give me a written assurance that she won't go all Joan of Ark in the Mid-East, and take her turn Tehran into toast talk off the table, and actually talk before toasting, I might be of a mind to accept her appointment to Sec of State.
As it is, her husband screwed up the most golden of oppurtunities to put old acrimonies aside, when he snubbed Mohammed Khatami's direct overatures to diplomacy back around '96-'98.
I don't think Hill especially qualifies for the post. I'd personally prefer somebody who's done a lot of shuttle back and forth to world capitals..but whatever.
Interesting choice of words, Joan Walsh. Using such religious, even Biblical language is oddly appropriate for such a totalitarian demand.
Monolithic party politics - especially the blind, self-destructive demands for party loyalty - are the true abomination to democracy. Demand that all Democrats think the same, act the same, believe the same - that's the abomination. Punishing Joe Lieberman for daring to differ - that's exactly the idea of "unity" I expect to her from you, someone who was prepared to sink the entire party's chance for victory in a petulant tantrum because your favored candidate ran a lousy campaign.
But thanks for reminding me what a selfish- self-serving, goddamn idiot you really are, Joan Walsh.
In my ideal world, Richardson would be the pick, but I think Hillary will go along to get along, should she get the gig.
But it's a pretty big gig.
Thanks, calgodot! You're reassuringly consistent even in your inconsistency. Are you applauding keeping Lieberman as Homeland Security chair?
For making Michelle Bernard look ridiculous and, as usual, making more sense than anyone else on the panel
Hey, you ease up on my boo Michelle! Seriously, I agreed with Michelle's initial point, that the Clintons bring sooo much drama with them, but I dont think she had a good response to Joan's (and Chris') point that we've been praising Obama for his judgement up to now, if he thinks Hillary would be a good choice, then we should respect that instead of wigging out. I would not say Michelle looked "ridiculous", though if you read far enough into this thread, you will be able to see I'm biased towards Michelle :), but Joan had a concise and convincing argument that Matthews not only concurred with at that point, but reiterated at the end of "Hardball".
I think Michelle, like a lot of people, let her personal inclination to distrust the Clintons cloud her view of the matter. I wasnt a big fan of Hillary's campaign tactics, but I do think she'd be a great choice for State. My one reservation is that, based on her campaign and the mess she made of health care back in the 90s, I am not convinced Hillary is a strong manager of people. I'm not sure how State will fare from an administrative standpoint. Who knows, though, she may not even take the job.
Someone somewhere (nytimes? sorry) made the very interesting point that the person who carries the most weight with, and actually excites, foreign leaders is Obama himself, and that he might do well to capitalize on this by being his own Secretary of State, so to speak, at least initially.
Failing that, I believe the best person for the job, hands down, is Bill Clinton. (Just to be clear, I supported Obama, not Hillary.) As president, he came tantalizingly close to succeeding in the Middle East, was helpful in areas such as Ireland, etc. His ties to many foreign leaders have deepened since he left office. What an advantage to Obama and to the country...
(Am I crazy?)
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