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Monday, October 20, 2008 12:00 AM

Pat Buchanan runs out of arguments

After failing to devalue Colin Powell's Obama endorsement on "Hardball," the GOP veteran played the race card, unconvincingly.

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Sunday, October 19, 2008 09:16 PM

The republican distress over Powell's endorsement

sounds a little like the whites complaining about the only black family leaving the neighborhood, because now they can't be denied that its lily white.

Sunday, October 19, 2008 09:19 PM

Jeez Louise liberals had nothing but praise for wise old Pat

When he spouted his neo nazi blatherings. Why so serious now?

Sunday, October 19, 2008 09:24 PM

find another YouTube clip of this

Joan, this one's pretty poor. There's all kinds of flashy WordArt commentary that pops up during the clip.

Sunday, October 19, 2008 09:28 PM

Really bad audio

Something is wrong with this clip -- but on the other hand, I am glad to see Walsh posting clips from her appearances, which are often hard to find (and I spend every waking moment looking due to my Joan obsession).

Regarding pompous what's your name, you are making up an alternative reality if you think anybody on the left ever praised Pat Buchanan's neo-nazi stuff. Are you making some sort of joke? I missed the funny part.

Sunday, October 19, 2008 09:31 PM

Way to go, Joan

I'm listening to you say, "Oh, COME ON" to Pat Buchanan as he calls Powell "petty" for expressing disdain in response to the William Ayers charges. Nice job calling him on this weak criticism.

A negative reaction to rotten mudslinging is not "petty."

Sunday, October 19, 2008 09:33 PM

"Oh, Pat, I'm so sorry you went there...."

Perfect reaction.

Sunday, October 19, 2008 09:43 PM

From Joan Walsh

This was the only clip I could find that had the whole segment. My friend Jon Amato at Crooks and Liars zeroed in on the race segment, and that's here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Kv_fcZT-0

Better sound quality and good news judgment, but I wanted to show the whole exchange. I'll look tomorrow to see if I can find an Hardball official video.

I'm listening to the segment right now where Buchanan talks about "Sheila Tubbs Jones" staying with Hillary while John Lewis left Hillary for Obama -- it's as if he doesn't know Sheila Jackson Lee and Stephanie Tubbs Jones (2 different people, btw) are also black, like Lewis. I admit, I got really bewildered in there.

Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:01 PM

I couldn't follow him, there, either

I didn't see any point to bringing up Stephanie Tubbs Jones at all. It's as if Buchanan's heart was so "not in it" that his mind wasn't either.

Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:06 PM

Joan and Chris teach the meaning of compassion

I thought Joan and Chris did a great job handling Pat. Granted he and many others have little or no argument concerning why Colin Powell chose to support Obama, but they showed a level of decency for a side that knows it's lost. Pat seemed sad and defeated, and I enjoyed Chris at the end telling Pat not to judge anothers' motives without examining the very motives of oneself. Thanks again Joan for showing the class, compassion, and most of all intelligence that I enjoy seeing whenever you take to the air. Conservatives could learn a thing or two.

Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:13 PM

My dear Ms. Walsh,

How long are you going to run that obscene "United Against Nuclear Iran" banner ad?

How much does selling a war on Iran pay you?

What is your price to not sell war?

Not that I could muster such a magnificent sum, but perhaps collectively all of those Salon readers who are not in favor of sending Iran back to a pre-industrial state sans water and electricity, might be able to buy Salon off for the benefit of our Iranian friends.

Then again. perhaps more of Salon's fine liberals are already set to launch preemptive strike.

But I am curious as to the sum and I am not questioning your morality or ethics in the matter, merely your price.

How much does a "liberal" go for these days?

Why does anyone care what Buchanan says anyway and why do they call it "hardball" since it is neither hard nor has a ball?

BUT TO THE MORE IMPORTANT MATTER,

HOW MUCH MONEY TO STOP RUNNING PRO WAR BANNER ADS JOAN?

What IS your price.

Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:13 PM

I think he knew, Joan...

...only because he brought them up, and he was thinking about race when he brought them up, not because I can make sense out of his logic.

Divorce happens and families splinter. So Powell is getting a divorce from the Republican party--he's doing it cleanly (more cleanly than Joe Liebermann?). I'm sure if I were a Republican, I'd see it differently, but I find myself cringing at the heavy accusations of betrayal. He's always been in the middle--we didn't know which which party he formally aligned with when he was working for the Clinton administration--and then, of course, he was terribly used/exploited by Bush.

As far as I'm concerned, Colin Powell is a great man, and I like that he's behind/with Obama.

You did great Joan. I'm glad you're out there.

Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:16 PM

catharsis

Thank you Joan for lancing the boil. That ugliness has to ooze out before healing can begin.

My niece in San Diego sent me a shirt and pin which I will wear on Nov 4 for those os who are friendly aliens.

To be precise in case I am investigated ... Elsa is not exactly my niece ... she is my cousin's daughter .. a lovely representative of my extended family.

Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:34 PM

WANT SOME MORE ARGUMENTS?

THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION (II)

(Please see previous article on “The Obama Administration” and a host of related articles at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/)

The last reference in my prior article on this subject was posted without comment or clarification. Admittedly, it cries out for clarification since it may very well represent a sign of the future.

Twelve year old Ashleigh Jones of Volusia County, Florida had the temerity to assert her right to free speech and her political preference in this election by wearing a T-shirt.

It wasn’t a T-shirt bearing any obscene or otherwise offensive statement. It merely indicated that, if she were of voting age, she would cast her ballot for McCain/Palin. Click here for the story and the video: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Politics/Detail;jsessionid=42DC2F03298955FDD7534DD207C872CB?contentId=7664724&version=11&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.14.1&sflg=1.

A gift from her fellow volunteers for the Republican ticket, the shirt simply read “McCain/Palin 2008″ on the back and “Go, Sarah, go!” on the front.

Innocuous enough, no?

Well, apparently, no, since the neophyte Republican was met by her fellow seventh grade students with charges of racism for wearing the shirt: “Some of the students were calling me racist because I was Caucasian,” she said. “I wanted the Caucasian man to win. And I told them that’s not true. It’s my freedom of speech, it’s my opinion.”

Undaunted, the young radical plans to wear it again.

The only problem I have with Ashleigh’s statement is her needless defensiveness over wanting the “Caucasian man to win.” Last I checked, both McCain and Palin were Caucasians so why deny she supported the White man and his running mate, even if the color of his skin played no part in that support?

Actually, Ashleigh reflects the current climate in America and in this campaign, namely that backing White people for the offices of the presidency and vice presidency over a Black man ipso facto means you are a racist and that you should be ashamed of yourself because of it.

It seems the same mindset was in play when I was warned against wearing a McCain/Palin button in Key West. If said button did not paint me as a racist, it certainly carried with it that implication in southern Florida, an implication that could result in bodily harm in that bastion of “liberal” thought.

As previously noted, Senator John McCain has either given up or has little hope of winning this race. The consequences of that surrender–and surrender has never been a trait of the senator–go far beyond the changing of the guard in Washington. Ashleigh’s experience and my own, unfortunately, are not distinctive or rare.

This race is unlike any I have known in my lifetime. Not even Nixon-McGovern in ‘72 nor Goldwater-Johnson in ‘64 compare. Those battles pitted totally different philosophies against one another and they involved different views of what America could and should be but they were usually civil and devoid of the vile contentiousness Obama and Company have brought to Campaign 2008.

Also, none of the opponents sought to radically alter the fundamental underpinnings of our nation or of its people.

The current campaign by the forces of Barack Obama is a horse of a different color, with no pun intended by that metaphor. Obama has conceded that his plans would mean a redistribution of wealth through onerous taxes on the successful to be “shared” with those 40% who currently pay no federal income taxes.

Either Obama is very naive or Obama is very devious.

(Read the rest of this article @ http://genelalor.com/.)

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