Bet you never thought you'd hear me say that?!

But you are absolutely right. And it feels and looks like it was a setup. Your instinct that there was just something off about the whole event proved true.

... Warren, that is, who has just revealed himself to a wider audience as a Johnny-one-note who simply wants to make the General Election into (yet another) referendum on abortion, without consideration of numerous other numerous issues (for example health care, environment, international peace) that people of religious faith may be concerned about.

Middle-of-the-road voters like myself who don't care much about religion or abortion and don't particularly like either party are not likely to be much influenced by such a dick.

In the past Republican presidents have squeaked home due to a high turn out of evangelical voters. No doubt evangelical voters in general will continue to shun progressive views, but the real question is whether they will be highly motivated to turn out to vote in large numbers in November. I suspect that by now many of them are tired of the referendum-on-abortion angle, and may have better things to do after work on cold Tuesday nights. At least I hope so.

RIGHT ON !!!

I'm with you Joan..Obama should have never given Warren the satisfaction of stooping to his level - on anything. No one could have chosen any better description of Rick Warren than 'preening narcissistic televangelist'...WONDERFUL!!!

Warren reminded me of Oral Roberts secluded on the top floor of the tower in Tulsa saying if his listeners didn't send him a million dollars he would not come down!! I sure hope he's still there, but I doubt it.

Obama's appearance at Warren's get together was a setup from the start. And, the bold face LIE Warren told about McSame being segregated at the beginning should have been a straight up give away..We should know by now this is a rigged game..to quote an old westerner, "Never bring a knife to a gun fight"....

OK, I'll admit I didn't watch it. The whole thing revolted me--a distinguished law professor and senator grovelling in front of some 3rd rate huckster for approval that, as everyone now realizes, was already reserved for the McCain.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Obama took a long, hot shower afterwards.

Please, please somebody tell me he learned his lesson about these people.

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Joan, dog bites man is not news - man bites dog is news.

In other news, the sun is reported to be likely to rise in the east tomorrow morning.

It breaks one of the Ten Commandments.

Really, Joan, what Commandment would that be. There is no commandment against lying.

While what exactly constitutes the Decalogue differs by religion and which book, none have a proscription against lying.

The closest would be:

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour

or

Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbour

People who bemoan the rules are the same people who find excuses for poor performance. Obama did a crappy job, and I think this performance helped a great deal to make McCain supporters feel much more comfortable with how McCain will do during the debates.

With Obama's numbers sinking even with more money and a Democratic sweep in front of him, I think the public is starting to make up their minds; Obama really does come across to many people as an empty suit and McCain has played that brilliantly.

Ms. Walsh, buy some fresh grapes. Yours have gone sour, and you're starting to whine.

I think we've established that. I'm pretty sure that it had been established before - are there televangelists who are not idiots? Can any single person truly minister to tens of thousands of people? This guy is CEO of a religious corporation, selling God to suckers who think they can be saved by sending money to an 800 number.

That said... why is anybody paying attention to him? Every time anybody on the left complains about Warren they undermine Obama's "reach out to the right" message, and the worse the complaints are the worse the impact is. And complaining about McCain being given questions in advance sounds like bad sportsmanship regardless of whether it's true or not.

this man, that Holcaust quote alone is more offensive than anything I've seen in ages outside of the hate-spewing preachers John McCain used to welcome aboard his campaign bus.

I still think it was a good idea for Barack Obama to go however. Let's face it, hard core evangelicals like this extremist were never going to vote for him anyway, as this nut case makes clear above. The people Obama needed to influence are those who just might be open to a non-fanatic anti-abortinist, but have just heard that Obama is Muslim or some other nonsense.

Restated: If there's a debate about which side of the various Christian divides Obama stands on, that makes it a whole lot harder for people to avoid the fact that he's Christian.

Overall, every time I've seen people second-guess some possible bad move that "could spell trouble for Obama"-- and not to put too fine a point on it, but no stranger around here, that sort of thing --- he's proven it wrong. So if he turns out to have been the one who was right when others were saying "oh, this will hurt him", I don't know, eventually you sort of have to start having faith that he knows what he's doing? Too much to hope for?

Warren is just the latest in a line of conservative televangelist Billy Graham-wannabes wrapping up bigotry in a new package.

Obama drops in my esteem for attending this mandatory whistle-stop on the campaign trail. Do we have to give him bonus points for remaining pro-choice in this audience? I thought this was a basic plank in the party platform. "Above my pay-grade," weak indeed.

Maybe in the end everything he did was just smart politics. But it's a sad day to see a "progressive" candidate schmooze with this disgusting man.