To again play dumb does not you become.

The word "triangulation" always brings to mind the tripod war machines of the Martians in H.G. Well's "War of the Worlds." Triangulation also seems to reap the same results as those in Well's novel upon the world in general.

Is it really bothering you, AKA, or are you just trying to bait me or discredit me in some manner? If you must... we had our initial discourse about your savage absence of reason and irrationality right after Hillary capitulated. At the time I felt sorry for you, having already felt disenfranchised myself when my own candidate bowed out the day before super tuesday. I tried to tell you that the anger you clung to was ultimately counter-productive and you responded as if I was a raging sexist trying to deny you some inalienable right. Since then you've ignored my posts, no matter the tone. Recall? Doesn't matter, I'm sure. I don't think you'll ever let go of that anger. You're like a mini-Vader.

Voting third party is participating. Not voting is not participating.

However, even if I did not participate at all, I still have a right to comment. Maureen who doesn't even live here has a right to an opinion. New Zealanders, Syrians, and Fiji Islanders have a right to an opinion. Even people in Gitmo designated enemy combatants have a right to an opinion, habeas corpus, and a fair trial.

This notion that the right to an opinion extends to some people but not others is incorrect and free speech is the reason Klytus, who is really manos99, can maunder on spouting verse in which he takes no care of meter.

Don't you really think telling people who don't vote that they have no right to their opinion isn't really a sort of minorly fascist cliche.

Really now. Be honest with yourself. You seem an intelligent though rather spiteful fellow. However, try this bit of self-reflection and you will see that you have just been trite.

That is, as a baiter.

I'm trite, you're coy. We're like the Superfriends!

Fine, I'll grant your right to your opinion. It still places zero weight on this debate as 3rd party votes have only one effect on the election...

They count as republican votes

Can I have an unlimited licence to just fuckin' annoy?

That'd be some strooooong triangulatin'!

Are you the one who said that I was a hater because I said that anger could be a good thing and that Clinton supporters should hold on to their anger?

Ha! That's funny if that's it. I did think that they should hold on to their anger. Holding on to it has gotten Hillary a speaking role at the convention. Who knows? If Obama's polls among former Clinton supporters stay low enough, he may have to promise her more.

The point is that I was quite right. Obama would have offered Clinton nothing if he had his way. I believe there is real emnity there and that he has many more issues with her than she does with him. If her supporters hadn't stayed angry, I believe Obama would have already completely crapped out on late term abortion. As it is, he has given a few tepid mentions of pay equity. It is on women's issues that Obama is weak and that is one of the main reasons he can't win Clinton supporters.

I said Clinton supporters should stay angry because their anger would allow them to exercise some political clout. It is a practical matter.

Prochoice people don't use terms like "partial birth abortion" as Obama did when he was talking to a religious magazine. Hillary never would never have used that phrase.

If you are a liberal, you must surely feel a bit queasy about his moves to the center.

The difference in anger between Hillary and you, is that she uses it as a strength, and you just use it to stew.

Both sides behaved badly. Supporters were intemperate. Racist charges were thrown around. Now, the usual suspects on the winning side want everyone to forget.

Bill Clinton's greatest enemy is himself: he was under no obligation to answer Kate Snow's question or to give pressers. Hillary should decide, once and for all, to tell her supporters to get on side, ask for no special vote and concentrate on unifying the party. Obama supporters should just shut up, and give our nominee the chance to deal with the Clintons directly. And Obama should come out openly and talk to the Clintons and have them out campaigning.

Democrats should watch McCain. But in time honored fashion they seem determined to stick it to themselves and damn the consequences.

If you want to see what a Democrat President did on the subject of Fiscal Conservatism go to Crooks & Liars and watch the cartoon. And stop griping and start unifying.

That's nonsense. Tell that to John McCain and ask him how he feels about Bob Barr.

You have a very unnuanced notion of our process.

See if you can follow this:

1. I live in Texas.

2. I intend to vote for down ticket Dems if there are any that stand a chance of winning, which I doubt.

3. I plan to vote for McKinney for president to assist the Greens who need 5% of the vote to be able to advance their cause.

4. There is no way that Barack Obama would win Texas -- not even if I voted for him 100 times. Therefore, my voted does not count as a Republican vote. It doesn't really count at all.

Have you ever been to Texas, Dalivus? Do you know anything about Texas politics? One of our senators practically has his nose up Bush's ass on every vote. In my district, my representative has voted just as Bush has wished on every single vote. He is a Bush clone. It looks like both of these guys will do very well -- again.

someone who was a viceral critic of the "bros before hoes" school of obama supporters on this site; omeone who had no tolerance for the fanboy media hackery of Chris Matthews or Keith Olberman;someone who was unnerved about Obama's greenery(And still is) yet yearned for some measure of competence from Mark Penn ran Clinton Campaign; omeone who wanted something from the clintons or her hillbots that wasnt a loyalty oath (" Vote for hillary, or your a Racist and a sexist"); omeone who got tired of hearing over and over again how racist and ignorant how black people were, and, when I dared to mention the dreadful racial paranoia of so many letters, was deemed by you and others to be a troll and part of the reason Mccain was winning; let me be the first person in the line to tell you to go to hell.

You are sick and tired of being called a racist for criticizing Obama, Fair enought. I'm sick and tired of the clinton cult telling me to forget the way bubba took Sista Soljah, a rapper 99 percent of black people didnt know from adam, and made her a metaphor an entire people. I'm sick and tired of the way the clintons treated Lani Guiner, Joycelyn Elders, and Marion Wright Edleman( See a trend? Or were those women black then? In your mind and the mind of the hillbots, when are black women black and when are they women? Were the 80% of black women who supported hillary last year black or women when thery were called racist( by Orlando patterson and David Horowitz) and black male hating( by every other knucklehead brotha on the net)Where they black or women when Bob Johnson, the most viceral peddler of anti black female propaganda in this nation, was hired by the clintons to stump for her campaign? Was Michelle black or female when O'reilly talked about going on a lynching party against her? Or were they supposed to be women only when they were supposed to vote for Hillary?)

And I'm sick and tired of almost all of you here at the land of the trolls called the salon letters section. I'm sick giving every progressive a leery, paranoid look because I fear they might be a misogynist nut or a Limbaugophile with a woman's studies degree. I'm sick of hearing my White female friends telling me how they were called the C-word for daring to go against obama, and I'm sick and tired of being told OVER AND OVER AND OVER that my experience as a black man in this country doesnt matter by clinton supporters. I'm sick and tired of progressive men telling women they dont have a place at their table, and I'm sick tired of white feminists all but telling black women they have no place at theirs.

Most of all, I am sick of the feeling that a broad, cosmopolitian, coalition building liberalism is dead. That Sontag's America, Baldwin's America, Vonnegut's america, Ellison's America, Morrison's america, Ciseneros' America and Kingston's America is no more, replaced by a bunch of sadistic letter writing children who think that only they matter, that only their story needs to be told, and that the other is only conspiring to get them. And I'm not saying that you and the merry trolls of salon.com have killed it. Just wash your hands. Just wash your hands.