Letters to the Editor
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Walsh, you have completely lost it
Joan Walsh: "But watching the Clintons get smeared as racist, from my privileged white perch, I had the first inkling of what my black and Jewish friends might have felt like."
Um, Joan? Are you high?
Being called a nigger and being called a racist are not equivalent.
But if you feel so "hurt" by being called racist, how the fuck do you think people feel being called sexist?
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@J. Walsh
You never answered my question last night. You've got time for jeb, but not poor 'ol Klytus. That just ain't right.
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From Joan Walsh
Xrandadu, with all due respect, I worry that you've gone into a bad place. Your postings lack nuance, compassion, shading. I didn't equate those slurs; I went out of my way to say white people's reaction is a result of their having been sheltered from such exclusion. When you reply to my posts, it's always one-note and tone-deaf, in my humble opinion. I say that as someone who used to pay attention to you. I fear that, officially, those days are over. Yes, I took a risk here. Skewer me for it. I know others are behind you to do so. And yet many, many others will respond in a much, more thoughtful way, and we will all move forward, together.
The great thing about being called a racist so often this year is that there's not much more that can bother me. I am not sure what's happened to you. You used to be open to a little bit more complexity. I hope you're well.
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Come on J. Walsh
This latest piece is a little on the incediary side.
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It take two to tango
And I don't believe for a second that anyone in the Obama campaign wanted the primaries to be about race.
After Iowa, blacks started moving into the Obama column. His campaign didn't need or want to make race an issue.
Joan, you'll have to tell me what president Clinton meant when he said the Jesse Jackson had won SC too. Was Jesse Jackson the only Democratic nominee in the history of the primary to win SC and lose the nomination? NO.
So why Jesse Jackson?
The Clintons may not be racist, but they certainly used latent racism in "working class" areas to their advantage.
Oh, but it's Obama's fault racism was injected into the campaign, even though it hurt him badly in the last legs of the campaign.
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There I go stuttering again
That is to say the incendiary side.
And if there was compassion in this piece it was not palpable to me to any noticeable degree.
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Joan, America Is Begging You ...
To end the Clintonian nonsense. First off, who the hell ever thought or said -- outside cable TV goofballs looking to fill time and slam Democrats -- that Bill Clinton would be shunned at the convention? And I'm sorry ... your equivalence of Hillary's campaign and Obama's as equally race-and-gender stained ... is way off base. The minute Bill uttered the phrase "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice," it was set in stone. What possible reason could he have had except to basically say, Obama is just another spook? Yeah, Bill's not a racist; he's proven it. But that comment, from wherever it came, was deep bullshit and he deserved eveything he got for it. Sorry; can't feel sorry for the guy. As for Hillary, she got whipped fair and square despite her, support from, quote, "hard working Americans, white Americans."
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ok the Clintons aren't racists
what was that "hard working whites" stuff about? Just words, I guess.
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Bill Clinton and SC Primary
One has to wonder why he didn't say that John Edwards had won the SC primary and later lost? That was the most recent election cycle.
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From Joan Walsh
tangerine, please -- Clinton was being slammed as a racist before he uttered his stupid Jesse Jackson remark the night of the SC primary. I know, because I was on MSNBC that morning defending him; then when I heard the Jackson remarks, I slammed him. Unfortunately, the only person angrier than Bill Clinton about the way his Jesse Jackson remarks were received was Jesse Jackson, who thought it was disrespectful to have his very name listed as a slur on Obama. I can certainly see both sides on that one; Clinton was an ass to negate Obama that way, hindsight shows us. Obama defeated his wife's lackluster, poorly organized campaign. But it remains a sad event in Democratic politics that so many otherwise good people went to such lengths to trash the Clintons as racists. And we're still living with the results.
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Does Jesse Jackson Deserve Everything He Gets Too?
Because he said that that the remark wasn't racist and he wasn't offended.
Oh, I forgot, Clinton is eeevil, just like the Republicans have been saying for the last 20 years. I'm sure they'll thank you when McCain wins the White House.
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From Joan Walsh
John Anderson, I criticized Clinton for the "hardworking Americans, white Americans" gaffe. And it was a gaffe, in my opinion. But get it all out there. Let's rehash all the ways the Clintons are racists, I think that will be very healing for Democrats. Republicans don't do this to their former presidents, people.
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@Joan Walsh
My opinion is that you encourage these train-wreaks at least a little. The topic is new with each article but it always seems to be spun through some pre-existing condition that was never fully resolved earlier. So people take the opportunity to vent all over again.
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Joan, I've got nothing but love for the Clintons
But the truth is the truth.
Do I hate them for trying to run a campaign they felt they needed to to win? Hell no.
I'm all for moving past it. But what is this article here about? How terrible the Obama campaign was for treating the Clintons like racists. I agree, we Democrats should treat our former Presidents with respect. But I believe we should first treat our future president with respect.
When we support one side over another, we often fail to see the shortcomings of our own candidate.
I would have gladly voted for either, and I'm telling you let the past be the past. Stop dredging up the primaries. If you would stop mentioning how the Obama campaign or its surrogates made the Clintons out to be racists the issue would more quickly fade and the former president's image could begin its rehabilitation.