Letters to the Editor
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as far as matthews karen
He is from pa. He is a catholic. He is a hillary supporter. She would not won new hampshire without him making her cry.
burning the candle at both ends. you heard the "iron my shirt" stroy right? I'm sure you were outraged. That was one of her republcain freinds, doing it as a joke. why? A win -win. the gop get's to act like they hate her, she cries sexism. both win. But the voters. But america.
I have an idea if you don't liek the sexist attack, clinton supporters. Stop making the statements, then condeming them. do you thin the american people are stupid? don't answer that.
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Stop whining
re : "Very sad and very ugly that these two good people, Hillary and Bill Clinton, are so driven by themselves winning that there is nothing that they will not do."
Get a grip. The haven't done anything wrong and they aren't doing anything wrong.
Ted Kenendy took his case to the convention in 1980.
http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/080131nj1.htm
Kennedy came into the Democratic convention at Madison Square Garden in New York City with 1,225 delegates to Carter's 1,981 and 122 uncommitted.
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the year is 2008 karen, not 1980
Almost thirty years int he past. both times of turmoil. please stop recting that over and over.
the year is 2008. not the same situation. differant people, differant time. Ted kenneddy didn't start fighting next to richard nixon to my knowledge.
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@weeping (Joan on TV)
Hey Weeping, how about giving us an unbelievably fair account of what Joan talked about tonight on TV?
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Like the Civil Rights Movement? Its time for a gentle push
It’s been dismaying to see the tone of the back and forth between Joan and Obama supporters. There is such a disconnect here. Certainly Joan shouldn’t have to put up with being called a racist, or put up with some of the other vile crap coming her way. But I think she has misread the tone of some of the letters, too. I am glad she has engaged, though, because it has clarified her thought process for me, even if I don’t completely agree with it.
However, when Obama supporters like me see that Hillary is comparing the Florida and Michigan situation to the Civil Rights movement – the civil rights movement! - when she previously agreed that the delegates would not count, and the African-American candidate wasn’t even on the ballot in Michigan (and I point out his race only because Hillary invoked the civil rights movement), it is now becoming clear that she is not staying in just for her supporter’s sake, or for her dignity, or even to force herself on the ballot as Vice-President (which is what I hope is her true intention). I’m afraid that instead, she has come up with a last ditch plan to win on the equivalent of a technicality, which makes it really hard to hold back from criticizing Hillary. Her speech on Tuesday was, in my mind, a clear indication that she is going to argue for a Clinton-Obama ticket. I hope I’m wrong, but she’s now saying that she may stay in until the convention.
The latest Zogby poll shows Obama is favored 56 to 39 by Democrats, although Zogby is often a little high on the Obama side. Other polls are showing Latino and Asian-American voters moving toward Obama, which may be a reaction to Hillary’s focus on rural white voters. Democrats appear to be coalescing around Obama - except in Kentucky and West Virginia, and, apparently, the letters section of Salon. I don’t think I am insulting Hillary’s dignity, or the dignity of her supporters, by saying that it is now time for her to bow out gracefully and endorse Obama for the good of the party and the good of the country. Or by asking that Joan should consider joining in that call, despite her anger at some of Obama’s supporters. I’m not sure anymore that Hillary is going to do the right thing on her own.
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Don't Confuse Hillary Clinton's Upbeat, Always Smiling, 'Never Quit', Act With 'Character'. It Actually Adds Up to An Obsessed, Mean-Spirited, Uncaring War-Monger.
1. I think Clinton has a right to keep running/period.
2. If she does 'take it all the way to the convention' I am on the verge of thinking she is some kind of fanatic.
-- She is obsessed with winning, so much so that she has already done a great deal of clawing and tearing of her opponent and she continues to say that 'Mich. and Fla. must 'count the votes' when THEY HAD NO RIGHT TO HOLD THAT ELECTION AND SHE HAD NO RIGHT TO RUN. She wants repeatedly to change the rules in other ways as well!
-- Her obsession with power: how can she imagine giving up the whole adulation of crowds and her imaginary dream willingly? What a life of nothingness Clinton must imagine going back to; sans lover, addicted to botox; as an older woman who cannot accept her age (and many, many of us can), imagining getting older and lonelier (not all of us are lonely though alone); imagining going back to the Senate and facing all her colleagues who abandoned her due to her mean-spirited comportment or due to just seeing that Obama would be far better.
3. Hillary Clinton has made some of the most damaging and mean (MEAN) -spirited insertions into the campaign AGAINST HER FELLOW DEMOCRAT! Including by the use of race!
4. Hillary Clinton is a war-monger. She voted, with McCain (but not Obama) AGAINST a ban on cluster bombs. She turned and told the cameras, months back when she thought she was the sure nominee, and someone asked her about war with Iran, 'NOTHING is OFF THE TABLE! -- in a cold, hard voice. She has used the term 'obliterate Iran' when asked what she would do if they attacked Israel. ('Obliterate?' 'Iran'? with all its people who live there?) [Not to mention the obvious: she voted for the war in Iraq.] She says the first thing she would do if anyone attacked the U.S. is 'retaliate'. Jeezus.
-- And she insists, like George Bush, that she would not talk with world leaders with whom she does not agree. (Instead she would bomb them, it seems; that would make the world safer?)
(Even James Baker, the leader of the George Bush election-steal in 1996, said recently that 'talking with ones' enemies is not appeasement'.
5. Hillary Clinton is the same every day, chipper, upbeat-sounding, blaming, smiling, laughing. This evenness, this sameness of character seems to me very like having psychopathic-sociopathic qualities. That is, uncaring, unhuman, obsessed, intent only (ONLY) on charming, on getting what she wants; that is what every bit of her rhetoric says.
6. So, adding it up, Clinton seems like an empty, obsessed, scary, uncaring, war-monger. And, now that she insists on 'taking it all the way to the convention', a fanatic, just exactly like someone (the war-monger, kneejerk violence talker) whom, all in all, nobody in this country needs for a leader.