Letters to the Editor
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Hillary
Hillary isn't doing anything unethical or immoral. My goodness, the drama! She has every right to ask that Florida and Michigan be seated. Actually, I don't think she expects them to seat Michigan, but when you negotiate, you should always ask for more than what you want.
And she has every right to take her case to the convention because Obama does not have enough delegates. Ted Kennedy took his case to the convention in 1980 when Carter already had enough to secure the nomination. Relax, it's called democracy.
http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/080131nj1.htm
"Kennedy came into the Democratic convention at Madison Square Garden in New York City with 1,225 delegates to Carter's 1,981 and 122 uncommitted. Kennedy's only chance to wrest the nomination from Carter, who had enough delegates to win, was to pass an "open rule" motion."
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Clinton Says She's Willing To Take Fight To Convention
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/21/clinton-says-shes-willing_n_102934.html
TAMPA, Fla. — Barack Obama criticized his likely general election rival John McCain on Wednesday where it could hurt most _ the Arizona senator's reputation as a champion of ethics. Hillary Rodham Clinton, meanwhile, raised the possibility she might carry her fight to the Democratic convention floor.
Joan, do you still think that Hillary will unite the party after this?
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If you watch it carefully
Ok, I finally watched this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-q4MDQ0cDI
I think it is not real. If you watch carefully I think you can see that most of these democrats are people who Obama is failing to reach out to with enough conviction. Is it really fair to use these Clinton supporters as representative of her average supporter? If so, that would mean that we should take the worst type of Obama supporters and do the same. Ok, fine. Let's do it. This will be boring, but maybe it will help us justify some kind of anger or disappointment in either Obama or Clinton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-q4MDQ0cDI
Watch that again and then go online and find the worst kinds of comments from Clinton supporters (make sure they are real). Then do the same for Obama. Share them with me at
imeanitcommatotally at yahoo
and I'll see if one of them is worse. Then I'll use that knowledge to see if one of them needs is responsible for not reaching out to those worst people.
Seriously: sure, it would be AWSOME if Obama could learn how to make the average democrat and independent trust him, but- at this point- I think he has done fine. And, YES, I would say the same for Clinton if she was the nominee: Hillary has done a fine job and shouldn't be expected to to change the minds of the democrats and republicans who are convinced she is stupid, weak, evil or .......
I know Joan would be giving Clinton a hard time for not changing enough people's minds in those states she got blown away in, but I happen to think there isn't too much more Hillary could have done. I would have been upset if Obama stayed in as long as her and continued trying to make sure as many people didn't want to vote for her. I know that he would have had the right to keep running, but at one point it becomes a bit gross. It would be wrong if I didn't include Clinton. However, I think they each could have stayed in the race (after being so far behind mathematically) in a very positive and useful manner. Maybe (we have no way of knowing) Obama would have run from behind differently (or stopped at one point).
I know one way Barack could reach out and change a voters mind. Isn't there a clip of Hillary singing the national anthem? Listen to the lady who says she is voting for Hillary because Hillary knows the song better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-q4MDQ0cDI
Hey, I'm not saying there are not news stories in which people, on camera, declared that they wouldn't vote for Hillary because she was a woman. Just like there are democrats who won't vote for Obama because they "know" he is Muslim, there are democrats who won't vote for Clinton because they "know" she is a "whore" and they probably say it comfortably on t.v. news channels as well. Send me the links.
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@Karenn22
Sure, she has the "right" to ask that the Florida and Michigan delegates be seated, but she should also have to answer why she initially agreed with the DNC's decision to strip the states of their delegates. She had no problem "disenfranchising" millions of voters when she thought she was a shoo-in. She only made this plea when she started to realize she couldn't win without them.
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@Karenn22
Sure, she has the "right" to ask that the Florida and Michigan delegates be seated, but she should also have to answer why she initially agreed with the DNC's decision to strip the states of their delegates. She had no problem "disenfranchising" millions of voters when she thought she was a shoo-in. She only made this plea when she started to realize she couldn't win without them.
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no, i don't understand it, joan, but perhaps i'm not sufficiently decent
"But why are so many otherwise decent people here so unwilling to understand what her candidacy means to many women?" if Lieberman were running(as say, McCain's VP) would you expect Jews to rally irrationally behind him? and what would Salon.com editorialize?
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The Graceful Ms. Clinton
There she goes, playing MLK in MI and FL to serve her precious self.
The only way she can win is by cheating. I hope that woman gets dragged of the stage soon. She does NOT represent me as a woman.
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well said sugerman
Every body's got a line. Everybody's got an excuse. The differance is some gripes and lines are given credenace and some are not. Who chooses which line is legit? All or most politicains are snakes who don't beleive anything they say (old style politics, we're trying to change it)
A criminal on the street has a stroy to. He has excuses and reasons why he should not be jailed for breaking the law. The differance is no one is buying it.