Letters to the Editor
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Joan on Hardball
Joan, it took a Republican strategist to knock your claim down on Obama playing dirty politics. Everyone knows that Hillary Rodham Clinton played down and dirty. I was happy to see a Republican woman call your delusional and blind support for the way the Clintons have played dirty Rovian politics. Can anyone trust your judgement after your daily Obama knocks and giving Clinton the nod when she got down into the gutter?
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Where in the world in Joan?
On the most important day in the primary Joan is mute? hummmmmmmmmm. Is she Verklept? Is she searching high and low for another "scandal" to expose Obama based on blogo/social network friends reactions? The facts are clear...there is NO REASON for Hilary to continue the race other than the egotism of me me me... or trying to balance her checkbook. How noble is that?
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oops...
Where in the world IS Joan
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Joan, Hillary has no grace or class
Hillary Clinton has shown no grace and no class in her lust for power. You said that it depends on how people will treat her with grace and class after her debacle last night. She does not deserve anything, but Obama has more grace and class in his little finger than the Clintons in their entire bogus candidacy.
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jdubya
Maybe before yesterday's results making it even closer to impossible for Clinton to get the numbers she needs- or on the off chance that she wins with incredible margins here on out- it would be possible for her to bring Obama's people in if she had the nomination.
If after all of this and Obama being ahead for months and things carry on as they are expected and the supers hand it to Clinton? I think it would do enormous damage to the party in general not just with African Americans. Although they and everyone would have reason to say it had been stolen because that is pretty much all they can do.
One other thing- regardless of what hapens between then and now the party needs to figure out something to do with MI and FL before the convention. There is no easy answer and no perfect solution but we have to figure out the fairest way to seat some of their delegates or it will threaten to tarnish the whole process.
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Joan was busy being on Hardball today?
No wonder she didn't have time to write a BLOG today. I was thinking she was still drinking the fine wines of Northern California...or busy signing a deal to become a talking head on cable news. I am guessing that gig pays much better.
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sigmund5
or busy signing a deal to become a talking head on cable news. I am guessing that gig pays much better
Joan Walsh is no Rachel Maddow for sure. Her gig is up. Joan will be looking for a job after she finishes with the obituary of Hillary and Bill Clinton from politics. Salon will have to retool with a more competent editor.
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I guess you're right, dog-walker
about Donna Brazile's response being an important message to get out. I suppose I was just railing against Paul Begala's insistence on pushing the divisive themes even as Hillary herself seemed to be signaling that it was time to begin unification.
Perhaps I meant to say more clearly that I wish Joan had presented it as a kudos to Brazile rather than some even-handed, look-at-these-two-go-at-it, distant kind of way. I feel like Joan herself should have been more like, "Hey, we need to heed Donna Brazile here and eschew the Begalian tendency to cling to identity politics." Because I really, really do resent this assumed superiority Clinton has to represent the blue-collar workers. I don't dismiss the real divide in the Democratic party, not so much based on race but on class. But I reject out of hand the absurd notion that Hillary's policies in any way champion the working class's interests more than Obama's policies.
Does that make sense? (If not, I can come up with something else for you ;)
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Take a breath
I think both Bill and Hillary Clinton need to step back and think about what their campaign is doing both to the country and to the Clinton legacy. Perhaps Hillary doesn't give a fig about the "Clinton" legacy, or doesn't think Bill deserves a legacy, but Bill should. It is undeniable that the Hillary Clinton campaign, and Bill Clinton himself, have, out of desperation to win at whatever cost, shown themselves willing to discount the black vote and yes, play the race card. They have allowed the campaign to tiptoe right up to the line of calling Barack Obama 'uppity,' because he can't bowl and doesn't like waffles. I never thought I would see the day...
They will not walk away from this campaign unstained. But the sooner they walk away, the sooner they can start rebuilding their image as a couple that actually cares about anyone other than themselves.
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what happned to all the Hilary supporters?
I am guessing they have figured out that can no longer stretch their messed up arguments. they even figured something out
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"Her gig is up."
You are wrong...Joan Walsh will be here FOREVER!
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celia
I'm not sure if this idea came from Brazile or not but I think in general you are right about the emphasis on these demographic categories. My own sense of it is that we are in a cultural flux, meaning category change, meaning there will be a lot of people who will not fit neatly into one category or another, if they ever did in the first place.
So please bear with me while I think about this some more, go to work, clean my house and all that other stuff.
And get a chance to mull over these other comments too.
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@Joan on Hardball
What did Joan talk about on Hardball today?
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Joan is being a pussy
oh no...I can't comment on anything now
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waiting for Joan
so I can say something clever.
maybe she's upset...a period of mourning is in order.
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Where is Joan?
Crying into her arugala salad for that Communications Director job that Hillary had promised her.
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@ Carol
I'm afraid I was listening with one ear because one of my sons was talking about something else. But what I recall was an assertion that Obama was as quick to take the low road as Hillary, which was jumped on by everyone, including the other party; an ultimatum that the Obama people better start repairing the damage done to Hillary if the party hoped to do well in the general election; and finally her demeanor, which was - and I'm certain I'm not saying this because I've been reading her columns here, but merely from the show itself - beyond sad. She looked as if the world had ended. Interestingly, she was the "Hillary" person in the lineup of guests. She was the person to whom the Clinton comments or questions were directed, while the rest of the panel took Obama.
I'm going to get hate mail for this post, and deservedly so, because I was catching tiny sections of it through a conversation that had most of my attention. So I emphasize that this is a highly incomplete report. But what I saw of it was that she looked genuinely miserable, and still could not stop looking at this as "everything happens to Clinton."
Oh - I am pretty sure there was something about the process having been useful in vetting Obama on Wright and the Weathermen, because people within the party had legitimate questions about his association with, especially, Wright. Democrats were concerned, worried, and she's not sure these questions have really been answered.