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Saturday, May 3, 2008 12:00 AM

Hillary Clinton's big, brass ... fortitude

She battled Bill O'Reilly (and won) while hammering away on her gas-tax holiday plan, critics be damned.

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Monday, May 5, 2008 08:26 AM

@AKA & weeping

How did Obama first play the "race card"?

This is an actual question. I don't know what you're referring to.

Monday, May 5, 2008 08:42 AM

Where is it??? (the rumors of Joans new blog)

Oh man; I woke up to a rumor this morning that Joan had written a really interesting blog on Hillary's

""Well, I'll tell you what, I'm not going to put my lot in with economists."

Everybody said Joan had looked at how Hillary inspire trust in democrats because she basis her decisions in expert opinion. Everybody told me it was an open ended article in which Joan didn't act like Hillary was the best at utilizing sound advice, but Joan also didn't shy away from examining the implications of Hillary's quote. What struck me the most was how everybody was saying that Joan actually pointed out that she found Hillary's quote to be more snobbish than Barack's claim that working class people are deeply upset and angry about the lack of support they've recieved. Joan actually, supposedly, had written this morning about the very real possibility that Barack could be much more in touch with what it means to an average American lunch-bucket dem. Joan supposedly did not say that Obama was more in touch than Clinton, but simply that it wasn't hard to make the arguement in his direction.

I guess people were excited that Joan had not just accepted the narrative that Hillary is pandering for quick votes, but that Joan had looked at Hillary's refusal (to back up her belief that the gas tax relief will certainly not create more problems for working class) as potential indicators of a slighly more insidious tendency. Without moralizing or pretending this issue is about who has more Character, I was told Joan had speculated as to how this tendency in Hillary might express itself in other contexts. Supposedly she even related Hillary's refusal to go into the ideas behind economists fears to her saber ratttling tendencies and then was able to connect this with non-judgemental reasons Hillary's feet weren't put under the fire for saying she had forgotten that she did not experience the trauma in Bosnia that she temporarily "remembered" she had experienced. (p.s. I don't think the Bosnia comments tell us anything important about Hillary ((please, all these candidates have quotes that are rediculous)). It's only the thought of what would have happened if Obama had told us that he was shot at and then "remembered" that he had not been...I think if Obama had said that kind of thing, the media would have helped us learn significant things about his personality. In my opinon, there are good explainations for why that kind of thing doesn't harm Clinton anymore and it's not just due to her stupendous courage and her empathic connection to the working class.)

I jumped out of bed, got online and found that we were still noticing how courageous Hillary is for sticking to her guns about the gas tax and how well she did talking to O'Reilly. I thought it was a nice touch that Joan threw in the restrained compliments for Obama's conversation with Wallace. I'm glad she simply complimented Barack without getting into petty comparisons between his "solid performance" with Wallace and Hillary's intelligent and courageous dialog with Bill O'Reilly (sp). I give her props for that.

Monday, May 5, 2008 08:47 AM

@dog-walker (The Race Card)

I think there are two scientific theories about the race card. One group has proven beyond a doubt that Obama was the first to play the race card. They can prove it. But the other group has now proven that Hillary, actually, was the first to scientifically play the race card.

Supposedly the former group has gained access to the memos that Bill Clinton referred to in which he said that we can read explicitly Barack's desire to systematically play the race card. The scientists with those memos will supposedly be releasing the information in the next issue of "Nature Magazine".

The science that proves that Hillary was, actually, he first to play the race card supposedly also has memos that show she has been planning to play the race card for a long, long time. It's sounds confusing, but the fact that it is all easily proven helps us rest assured that we will soon know who really played the race card first. You can probably even find out in a few minutes right here!

Monday, May 5, 2008 08:50 AM

@CarolRichard's prediction...

is essentially the way I see it playing out, tho' I would not be so bold with the details.

I've said this before and haven't really heard it refuted: the more charismatic Presidential candidate always wins.

This is not an argument as to why Obama would be a better President, just a principal of Presidential politics that I've surmised from observing for the past 30 years or so.

Can anyone think of a counter example (in the t.v. era)?

Monday, May 5, 2008 08:50 AM

Joan's Sexism vs. Racism "Oppression Sweepstakes"

This from "Race to the Bottom" by Betsy Reed at The Nation:

"The sexist attacks on Clinton are outrageous and deplorable, but there's reason to be concerned about her becoming the vehicle for a feminist reawakening. For one thing, feminist sympathy for her has begotten an "oppression sweepstakes" in which a number of her prominent supporters, dismayed at her upstaging by Obama, have declared a contest between racial and gender bias and named sexism the greater scourge. This maneuver is not only unhelpful for coalition-building but obstructs understanding of how sexism and racism have played out in this election in different (and interrelated) ways."

I think Ms. Reed has nailed it indeed. And in doing so, she's made it easy for Salon readers to see just how active a role Joan Walsh has taken in this destructive initiative. Clearly, Joan is among "a number of {Hillary's} prominent supporters, dismayed at {Hillary's} upstaging by Obama, {who} have declared a contest between racial and gender bias and named sexism the greater scourge."

Congratulations, Joan, your deplorable "Oppression Sweepstakes" has finally been given an apt name. And you have been exposed for your shameful part in it.

Ms. Reed's entire article can be read at:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080519/betsyreed

Monday, May 5, 2008 08:55 AM

@AKA, Late Again, weeping, HealThisNation

Cool conversation! Thanks!

:-)

Woof!

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