Thanks for the response.

"While I agree that gas prices should go up for any number of reasons, the mistake you're making here is assuming that the gas tax holiday would lower prices at the pump. It wouldn't.

Just ftr, not my mistake. I was presuming, for the sake of argument, that prices will indeed go down temporarily, as the best-case scenario.

As with the sale of anything brought to market, the cost of making something is factored into the price at which it is sold. So, if they get charged .18 more for every gallon of gas they sell, they will add that in to the price at the pump. Outside of price controls and a state-run market, there is no way to avoid this outcome.

I'm all for price controls and reasonable state intervention.

"I realize that this is way off from the point of your question, and there's a lot to be discussed about sustainable energy, but it's important to keep in mind that the premise is logically flawed in an economics 101 kind of way."

Yes, absolutely. Thanks for the important reminder.

I also read at mydd that this amounts to a Republican ploy. For the election (and afterwards?) This temporary remission of the tax will embolden the Republicans to call for its outright, permanent elimination.

Clinton will be backed into a corner of either having to agree that "the American people need tax relief" or explain why she's in favor of "raising taxes on working Americans."

She's either a flip-flopper or a tax-and-spend liberal.

They connect this back up with the Bush tax cut and they have a platform, perhaps the only thing Republicans still stand for (tax cuts) that McCain can run on.

Hillary Clinton is either impossibly short-sighted (which I would believe, because the siege mentality I understand can really play on your brain and impede clear, dispassionate thinking and planning) or worse, completely unprincipled and motivated above all by "political success" per se, irrespective of the larger goals.

But whatever.

I feel like either one recognizes this or one doesn't, kind of like with Bush.

No amount of reasoning will get people to take this analysis seriously.

Really, Hillary Clinton is far too much like George Bush for my comfort. Speaking not of her platform, of course, but of her bottom-line approach to power.

I don't see it, but here's a characteristic quote:

"The downside though is that they (the press) hate Hillary Clinton, most of them. Hate is not too strong a word"

5-4-08 Salon's editor-in-chief Joan Walsh

Check out the video at BREITBART TV

We'll hear about this to the point of tenfold tedium next week, so get an early taste.

Damn, Joan. Damn, damn, damn.

I can fucking identify every reason I detest Barack Hussein Obama:

1) He is a liar (book is a lie, voting record non present, church, etc., etc)

2) He is a racist

3) He is a hypocrite

4) He went to school on an Affirmative Action Scholarship and yet refuses to thank this country

5) Is a money whore

6) Is being backed by big money, nuclear energy, and sub-prime industry

7) Is an elitist

8) Is arrogant

9) Is sexist

10) won't admit he is gay

11) Can't hold his own in a debate

12) Married a real bitch

13) Left poor constituents with nothing

14) Self-serving

15) Stupid (unlike the rest of you sickos, I do not think the man is smart)

16) Is Anti-American

17) do you need more, because I have plenty...

READ MY LIPS. HE CANNOT WIN because of #16 alone, must less all of the other reasons. HE CANNOT WIN. Repeat after me. He CANNOT WIN. Repeat after me. He CANNOT WIN.

@ Tigerboy and others who pointed out that Obama supported a similar gas tax holiday in the Illinois Senate.

On Meet the Press this morning, Tim Russert asked the same and Obama acknowledged those votes and said :

SEN. OBAMA: And, and that's my point. I voted for it, and then six months later we took a look, and consumers had not benefited at all, but we had lost revenue.

MR. RUSSERT: So you learned from a wrong vote.

SEN. OBAMA: Yeah, I learned from a mistake. And, in addition, what happens is, is that this would come out of the Federal Highway Fund that we use to rebuild our roads and our bridges. And if we don't have that fund, then we're looking at thousands of jobs being lost in Indiana and in North Carolina.

That's straight from the transcipr of the show -vhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24445166/

You called Michelle Obama "a bitch?"

That's a sexist slur if ever I heard,

is "bitch" your most favorite

of all possible words?

Bitch is not sexist you idiot. How about this descriptor: Repulsive, egotistical, self-important, classist, racist, piece of human filth. Actually, I like the latter better--more fitting of Mrs. Barack Hussein.

Are these typical of what goes on here?

Sorry, but you need to be more than uncomfortable with Clinton's " I'll obliterate them" approach to Iran. This kind of rhetoric, regardless of what might actually happen, is a short path to being completely outside the international order. As with economists, she can say she doesn't care what the rest of the world thinks, but she needs to. We will lose every alliance we have. If this kind of talk is what she thinks passes for the "Commander in Chief test" she is completely out of her mind. Testicular fortitude does not extend to stupidity. The greatest warriors think before they act. What we have here is a female version of the tough guy business we have had from the chicken-hawk's on the right, none of whom have actually been in the military, let alone combat. Belligerent statements do not make for great leadership. Take a look at Bush II. Bush I knew something about war, and did a much better job of executing one. He also used somewhat subtler rhetoric, such as "This will not stand," and he knew enough not to over extend his resources. Hillary increasingly looks like Bush, as does McCain

If you mean the posts from hell, yes.