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Saturday, May 3, 2008 12:00 AM

Hillary Clinton's big, brass ... fortitude

She battled Bill O'Reilly (and won) while hammering away on her gas-tax holiday plan, critics be damned.

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Saturday, May 3, 2008 12:47 PM

@damnthatxanadu: even if Clinton were to win fair and square

1. Is it possible to measure which personal characteristic has been more influential with voters: Obama's race, Clinton's gender or George Bush's cowboy boots?

2. Isn't it legitimately exciting the first woman or the first black man will be the Democratic nominee in a couple months (maybe sooner)?

3. How do you decide which is more exciting?

4. A solemn vow: if Clinton wins fair and square, I will campaign for her door to door in my neighborhood.

Saturday, May 3, 2008 12:51 PM

@ david sugarman

I wasn't trying to be funny. Not yet, anyway. I just didn't understand the gagamatic post. The writer seemed to be saying that the proposal to assign gas taxes at retail to the oil companies was the first step towards some other, undisclosed plan. I wanted to know A) if I understood what the post said and B) what the undisclosed goal is.

Saturday, May 3, 2008 12:53 PM

@ Arlo Figg

To the La Raza ethics professor that backs censorship of opinions different from his own

What part of my first message sounded like I was trying to censor you? I was asking you to clarify your opinion, and clarify it you did, revealing your true sentiments. I could be wrong, but I don't think your sentiments reflect the politics of hope and change that Obama is heralding.

Thanks, though, for teaming me with La Raza--that's a great compliment considering I'm not Hispanic. And by the way, I'm not a man either.

Saturday, May 3, 2008 12:55 PM

HRC's Biggest Lie Yet

Paul Gipson, president of an Indiana Steelworkers Local, is endorsing Hillary Clinton because of her “testicular fortitude.” Could he know something we don’t? Consider:

As a youth Clinton presided over her local Young Republicans and campaigned for Barry Goldwater. Then even more than now the party was dedicated to relegating women to full time roles in the kitchen and the maternity ward. She married Bill. Any normal women would have sent him packing for his serial philandering; she spent uncaring decades looking the other way.

In the White House she sabotaged health care reform, an issue of pressing concern to women voters. She was sent to Bosnia and subjected, by her own admission, to heavy sniper fire. This at a time when even professional female soldiers weren’t sent into combat. She wrote a book about how it takes a village to raise a child. Nowadays even single dads bring up kids on their own.

Elected senator, she vigorously beat the drum for war in Iraq, then voted to authorize the invasion. Choose any poll you care to; women overwhelmingly reject wars of all kinds, much less unnecessary and unjustifiable wars.

During her presidential run she demonstrated her manliness by tossing back boiler-makers and professing her love of guns and hunting. Her entire campaign has been an exercise in such traditional male pursuits as knee-capping, swift-boating, and gob-smacking.

The secret’s out, the cat’s unbagged, the gaff‘s blown. The women who support Hillary Clinton because she’s a woman have been duped.

Saturday, May 3, 2008 12:59 PM

I'm sure someone made this comment already

I'm posting my comment immediately after reading Joan's words and without having seen any of the comments.

Hillary didn't propose the gas-tax holiday. John McCain did.

Hillary is a "me, too-er" or a "Janie come lately" to the party. For political gain, of course.

But I agree that she does have testicular fortitude.

Saturday, May 3, 2008 01:05 PM

If Hillary has balls...

...then she can't possibly become the first female president. She'll just be another guy overcompensating for his castration anxiety. I'd love to see a woman in the White House, but I'm holding out for one with ovarian fortitude.

Saturday, May 3, 2008 01:10 PM

okay, I managed to wade through seven pages of comments

before giving it up, and only one person, Bob @ Pacifica, mentioned that it was John McCain, not Hillary Clinton, who proposed the gas-tax holiday.

Saturday, May 3, 2008 01:13 PM

hey ethics prof

i'm definitely a member of La Raza, and you've got my endorsement for honorary membership. thanks for calling out racist language when you see it. mexican immigrants have become the scapegoats of the bush economy. it boggles the mind that the corporate and war-mongering overlords get away w/ putting the blame for economic pain on the poorest and most exploited.

Saturday, May 3, 2008 01:17 PM

@Arlo Figg

Si, pero cuando usas palabras como "mariachis" y "rednecks" la problema es, estas hablando como mis perras ladrando por un motocicleta. No es una ejemplo de "censorship" para dicir eso. Es un mano ofresca a ti.

Y, el razon como los iligales pueden vivir aqui es los necesitamos. Mira que esta pasando in Arizona ahorita con ese pregunta de trabajadores ilegales.

La pregunta que necesitas examinar, si quieres entender porque sus palabras pasan por los oidos como un viento purturbado, es esto: porque mucho gente como usted, en estos estados unidos, tienen este inseguridad tremendo. Estan temblando por los imigrantes, por las palabras franceses, pr la idea que este paiz tiene problemas con nuestro policias internacionales y, possiblimente, podemos mejorar nuestro situacion y al mismo tiempo la vida humana en general. Porque? Si necesitas, porque no usas una luz en su quarto de cama por la noche. Tengo un infante de cuatro meses, y este el calma mucho.

[Mira, todos que hablan espanol y estan riendo de mi y mayando en sus pantalones sobre este "post." Da me un breakicito por favor. Estoy tratando.]

Saturday, May 3, 2008 01:24 PM

dog-walker y tejano

Dé gracias a dios para personas como ustedes. No lo podría decir cualquiera mejor.

Saturday, May 3, 2008 01:38 PM

Salon's lost it

Joan Walsh's pandering to 24 hour news shows and their inane political coverage is only one factor making Salon more irrelevant with each article's posting.

The site is devolving into retread articles about superfluous trends instead of being a true alternative to the mainstream media. Andrew Leonard, Glenn Greenwald and Cary Tennis are the only ones with anything worth reading anymore. There are things going on in this world that are crushing ordinary people.

You've almost lost me completely, Salon.

Saturday, May 3, 2008 01:50 PM

More of the same ...

Does anybody think that if the names of the candidates in this article were reversed - if Obama had done something Joan thought was "ballsy," but also had done some of the most naked political pandering any of us could remember - that the headline would be pure praise? That the area where Clinton was indisputably being more honest than Obama would be buried midway through a paragraph, an aside dismissed as soon as it was raised?

I'm sure Walsh is convinced that her brief praise of Obama in the middle of this article is there so she can convince herself that she's being fair.

I notice that my query requesting information about a refund for the remaining part of my premium subscription has gone unreturned.

Stay classy, Salon.

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