Letters to the Editor
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PHONY Joan
Joan's faux sadness and supercilious sympathy is insulting to those of us who have been struggling to find something that resembles unbiased (or at least honest) commentary at this site. Even for those who don't have a horse in this race, Joan's "reporting" continues to disgust and has for months. Her tenure has netted (not grossed -- clicks on a site or story link does not a loyal reader make; please: it doesn't even make a supporter or fan; stop bragging on nearly meaningless yardsticks) an editorial Pyrrhic victory. Once upon a time, readers and subscribers would've walked over fiery coals for Salon's "take," verisimilitude, and trustworthy reporting. Today? Untold numbers visit the site; however, instead of waxing poetic, they fire off angry missives, threaten never to read again, let their premium membership lapse, or seek solace in other readers' letters.
So, I say all of that to say this: God, I MISS David Talbot.
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Hutman
Well at least we mentioned the children in this exchange about Trinity church. Which is more than we can say about Obama. Though that might come up in speech 3.
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Obama's made Black folks invisible today , our interests will never matter anymore in his campaign
instead of Obama confirming the value of the Black Church and Black voters today he reduced our value to the agenda of white liberals like Joan..
Obama sealed his fate today with the souls of Black folks... our core values and principles are secondary to his need for validation, affirmation, and admiration of white votes..
Obama was a good slave trader today he sold one Strong nigra in exchanged for his soul today.. The banner read: Negroes dreams for sale today... all offers will be accepted....
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Wasn't there a song like that?
Well, it's Thrasher's turn to cry.
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@Notorious WES
Notorious WES: "Well at least we mentioned the children in this exchange about Trinity church. Which is more than we can say about Obama. Though that might come up in speech 3."
Hey, maybe you can go hang out in the rye and catch running children from falling over the cliff's edge. Good luck with that, if you're not too busy busting phonies, that is. Don't pull that hunter's cap too tightly down over your ears.
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@WES
Because if he did not he would not have been able to do certain things in the community. As a black Catholic I am shut out of certain networks and can face problems dealing with black Protestants (although being in an interfaith marriage mitigates that). The church is intertwined with with community activism. If you want to get things done, you have to deal with them. The one place the gang bangers and the old heads respect IS the church. It is effective at getting the message out, directing funds, etc.
The Roman Catholic church in the black community has taken on some of these characteristics to be able to serve effectively. At St. Sabina's (a working class/lower middle class/urban church) Fr. Pfleger gives sermons that bristle with these themes. Did I mention that he's a red headed Irish guy? At St. Judes (Our Lady of Guadalupe) in New Orleans, these concerns are also dealt with by white priests. The concerns transcend race.
I've sat in all of these churches (I sing alto and can read music- which means I can step in to "fill" a choir at a moment's notice). I've rolled my eyes, bit my tongue,etc. People don't agree with everything (you need leg control, not BIRTH CONTROL is a staple of some of these sermons). People rack the minister in the parking lot over some of it. Sitting there does not mean I agree with stuff (because most of these Protestant churches think that I, a black Catholic, am going to hell, and they can be harsh on Catholics). It means that I am there for other reasons.
People don't always choose a church for the minister. My current priest gives sermons that could put a saint to sleep. But he's a good man. I don't agree with everything (the dying in childbirth stuff won't happen). I doubt anyone does.
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I ama former Black catholic as well and the poep should have been finger printed
once his plane landed in DC last week..
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Hutman
I assume you'll be the plants out in the field, taking into consideration your statement that Obama is the sun that gives his followers photosynthesis.
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sugarman: your kids are not jewish since your wife is not jewish
please enough already this is not a temple..
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@GThrasher: "I cannot soldier on."
But, do.
b.c. the pain you feel -- the terrible "catch 22" you accurately describe -- the articulation you are capable of
matter.
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Problem Is
It took the sun 20 years and declining poll numbers to shine the light of outrage on Wright.
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@Joan re: GThrasher
Joan, I find your dismissal of GThrasher ("So I'll assume you were composing your post while GThrasher made his last two.") inexcusable.
Is it not possible for those two black men to feel similarly betrayed and angry at this recent turn of events without expressing themselves differently? They are astonishingly different voices, but they are both entitled to their own style.
And is it really so hard for you to grasp that there is some cultural and historical significance in this forced acquiescence of a black man to White America's version of what religion--and family, and relationships (all of which are irrational) should be?
I can feel GThrasher's pain all the way over here in Ohio.
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Too little, too late.
Obama's renunciation of Rev. Wright raises more questions than it answers. It's generous of you to accept Obama at his word, but I don't.
Rev. Wright is correct when he observes that Obama is a politician and he says what a politician has to say. In that regard he's the same as all politicians, but he made the mistake of presenting himself as something different.
He's not different - just more devious.
I cannot believe that Obama had no inkling in 20 years what kind of person he was dealing with when he became so close with Rev. Wright.
It then follows that Obama is quite a liar - again, he shares that characteristic with all politicians.
So I am not withholding support from him because of his character flaws, I'm withholding my support for the same reason that I had from the beginning. Obama is not experienced enough for the office he seeks. He's not tough enough to win that office from the Republicans.
I support Hillary Clinton because she's smarter than Obama, has more experience than Obama, is tougher than Obama and has displayed the energy, resilience and determination that I want in a presiden.