Letters to the Editor
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Deepertruth nails it again!
High level Democrats who support Obama don't really understand swing voters
They don't truly understand hard times and the psychology of swing voters.
Swing voters tend to be more no-nonsense people. Idealism and talk only goes so far. And there are too many questions and doubts about Obama for most swing voters.
Hillary was part of her husband's enormously socio-economically successful administration. That's why she's had the support she's had with swing voters, and people who are struggling. They remember the peace and prosperity of her husband's administration. They care less about all personal attacks and ugly politics than the media and the Dems who focus on it.
Bots read this again and again and again and again until you get it. Older people remember the Clinton years and that's why they support her. You can try to rewrite history and say it was crappy for Pennsylvania in those years, but everyone who lived it knows otherwise and won't buy it.
Now as never before people want to know where the beef is. Maxine Waters told you that five months ago. They aren't intersted in "hope" or in a guy who has never delivered anything. Lacking a record of delivery makes Barrack Obama all the more vulnerable to the many many characteristics and history he has that make people nervous ranging from his Muslim upbringing to Wright and Resko and "most liberal" label.
Ignore "deepertruth's" truths at your own risk.
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The umbrella-policy is to help prevent nuclear proliferation in the Middle East
Hi dolores -
The idea is that if we guarantee those countries protection - they won't fear they need to develop a nuclear arsenal to protect themselves.
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My favorite crazed Clinton fan, besides Joan is ShawnWM
The guy never fails to deliver -
"After all that was the justification of hefty-again Oprah said as she went Hollywood Hoofing on stage with Obama, infiltrating his campaign with millions of dollars and igniting his entire race-baited won early primary successes in the south.
Now that it's transparently obvious that a weak-resumed, never-delivered-anything, hatemongering, crooked, name-changing Muslim till 35, elitist, most liberal, et al, man who built his entire platform on being half-black can't win, it would be a good time for every liberal of conscience to come forward and say it like it is."
hahaha. You are so funny dude. Keep em coming. Your sexist, racist, xenophobic rant is beautiful, I love when Clintonites get unhinged. If Joan ever gets around to writing that column about rabid-Clinton supporters, may I nominate ShawnWM as a poster boy... Cytherea45 as the poster gal... and a honorable mention to the Notorious W.E.S. Keep em coming guys!
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deeper truth
would the US have permanent bases in Iraq?
What are the differences between the neocon agenda and a Democratic Party agenda on an umbrella policy?
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@ maureenodonnell
If I didn't also have respect for the way you've carried yourself in the comments section, I'd have to accuse you of being a bit disingenuous by pretending not to know what "progressive" means when applied to contemporary American politics, especially since you're a regular enough reader of Salon that you've posted over 350 comments.
But, assuming that you're not playing dumb, the Oxford American Dictionary has a pretty good definition: "favoring or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas." I don't see Joan's ideas, as expressed in her commentary, to be particularly new or liberal. In fact, they seem rooted in a very passé form of identity politics that ascribes more importance to what a person is born as, instead of what they believe in. Perhaps at one point, Steinem-style feminism and political correctness were necessary to help redress overwhelming social imbalances, but I'd argue that society has since evolved (or progressed, if you will) to the point where their usefulness is limited, and maybe even counterproductive. Or, as the old saying goes, when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail.
This is also the reason that I referred to Joan as "middle-aged" (other than the fact that, y'know, she is a middle-aged woman). It wasn't a slam against her, unlike the reader who commented that her caricature was 15 years out of date. And I don't think that her age necessarily means that her "opinions don't count because [she's] spent longer on the planet than somebody else." I'm thirty-something, not a teenager.
But I do think that, in this case, her age and gender are relevant, because they indicate the era in which she came of age and the societal influences that may have helped shape her worldview. I've met many professional women of Joan's generation who turn two blind eyes to Hillary's many faults simply because they see her as their best chance at getting the female president they've been hoping for all their lives. It's certainly not a viewpoint that's unique to that socioeconomic group, but those are the people who seem to hold it most dear, for very understandable reasons.
And yes, I realize that it's more than a little hypocritical of me to criticize identity politics while ascribing certain beliefs to Joan simply because of her gender and age. But after reading months of her editorials, I believe that the circumstantial evidence backs me up, Your Honor.
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I agree with deeper truth
Hillary was just doing what Republicans will do.
Naturally then, me and deeper truth think Obama should start bringing up Vince Foster and Monica Lewinsky and all the rest of the garbage that will get dumped on Hillary. And if and when Obama does that Deeper Truth will be here defending him for just doing us all a favor and exposing Hillary to what she would get from Republicans.
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DeeperTruth - Israel already has nuclear weapons
Israel is reported to have over 200 nuclear bombs and 2nd strike capability. Do we really want to provide protection to a country that practices ethnic cleansing and terrorism against the Palestinian natives?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/our-reign-of-terror-by-the-israeli-army-811769.html
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Thank you, burleydee - the bots carnival is REAL class!
You people of the obamabot carnival are so much more impressive with your nonstop race-baiting, misogyny, ad hominens, distortions, elitist condescension, indifference to those struggling for survival, and grade-school, snot-nosed juvenilism.
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A deeper dogshit
I'm sure Middle Eastern countries are gonna just come scambling to ask for protection from the country that invaded Iraq. To these would be protection seekers that would be looking to buy protection from the mafia.