"Of course that's silly. Clearly, Obama could just as easily have made his gaffe at a fundraiser on Wall Street or K Street." - Joan Walsh

The fact that Obama made his gaffe behind closed doors while addressing the Chablis-and-brie crowd in San Francisco is important, Joan. Yes, he could have made the gaffe on Wall Street or K Street. But he didn't. He made it in a place that amplifies the "elitist" argument -- and therefore it becomes an even bigger problem for him.

"Personally, I hope the campaign moves to higher ground soon."

Uh huh. I guess that's why you steered your readers to the John Judis article that's so skeptical of Obama's chances against McCain. Honestly, Joan, your readers are not a gathering of idiots. We understand you're a Hillary supporter. And we can read between the lines. BTW, you must really be enjoying Hillary's relentless drubbing of Obama over this. But beware -- it just may backfire. Watching her in the unbridled political beast mode is really rather revolting.

These days, it's serving as a day care center for Obama whiners.

Little lord baltimore, thank you for your response. I came by Salon to see if Greenwald has posted anything, and I made the horrific mistake of clicking open Walsh's latest bit of what Stephen Colbert would call "truthiness," a version of truth peddled by Papa O'Reilly and his ilk.

One of the reasons why I have left Salon (I haven't really left because I come back for Greenwald, and occasionally for Farhad) was because Walsh's feminist posturing (yes, I said 'posturing')--made worse by her obdurate and narrow-minded view of gender and sex(ism)--was actually making me sick to my stomach. Why? Because I am an immigrant, a Muslim, and a woman, and I have come across women like Joan Walsh throughout my years in this country. The Joan Walshes (and her kind of women, who also happen to support Clinton) have always

a) pitied me b/c I was less fortunate (for the color of my skin; my religious background, nose ring, who the hell knows)

b) felt angry with me b/c I was not back in my homeland fighting for my women's rights

c) felt annoyed because I didn't walk around acting like a victim

d) felt incensed that I didn't show gratitude for the white women's movement that now gave me the right to walk around in mini-skirts and pick up free condoms (even though I did neither in college)

e) made sure, overtly, that I was being granted a space among her own--a space granted in the most condescending way imaginable (unasked, of course).

I remember professors like her; I remember bosses like her.

In "real" life, I avoid like the plague the Joan Walshes of this country. Why? Because reasons a) through e) are institutionalized instances of racism and sexism.

I am not alone. I have spent most of my 25+ years in this country in the company of other "immigrant" women, especially those from South Asia, Japan, China, etc. And trust me, we all avoid Joan-Walsian women. Especially when we have dated white men. Oh boy. The looks we have gotten. We get white men because we are submissive, stay thin, look 20 when we are actually 40, etc. Everything is wrong with us because we are not white women.

The bottom line is that the language used by Joan and Hillary supporters on this site has undermined and demeaned minorities (by pitting us against each other or by creating false binaries of gender and race) and have demeaned women. Calling us members of a cult, a people of lesser or no intelligence, representatives of some vague concept of elitehood or yuppieness (i.e., new code words for the Orientalist "Other") reveal Joan and her supporters to be entitled, bitter women, who cannot understand why they are not worshipped for all that their sacrifices have given us ("us" being just about everyone in this world...talk about arrogance). It is, if you will, their White Woman's Burden, their Kurtzian heart of darkness.

I support Obama. I won't bother to explain why I do and I will not try to prove that I am actually intelligent and that I actually have given serious thought as to why I support him. I will not "defend" myself because doing so will remind me of, say, prof. Ulle L. (one of many examples), a bitter--yes, I said it, bitter--white woman, who, in response to my paper on music in Indian movies, told me imperiously that I should put my college education to better use and write papers on the dismal plight of women in India. She smiled, winced, scowled, and looked smug all at the same time as she said it. How could I--how dare I--analyze Bollywood movies when Indian and Chinese girls are being aborted, even as we spoke??? She had put me in my place.

I see that smile in Joan Walsh's writing. I see that smug smile in the Hillary supporters' responses. They are putting Obama in his place (who the hell does he think he is?). They are putting me in my place (who am I to support anyone, really. My people are dying in slums. Jeez.)

And succeeding, or so they think.

Anyway, blah, blah, what I really wanted to say to Joan Walsh was, where the fuck is Greenwald and his seriously cute (and I am using cute in a Hello Kitty way...OMG, tee hee ^_^) updates?

"Obama in the Democratic primary.

Obama is the left's new Lamont. While the far left of the party is madly in love with their new Lamont, they should take another look at the Lamont/Lieberman race in CT. The progressive far left could not stand the Democratic (in name only) senator Lieberman, so they decided to back Ned Lamont, and they were actually succesful in the primary. Unfortunately, pro-war Lieberman, ironically with the support of senator Obama, was able to trounce the far-left candidate Lamont in the general election.

"

2008, is not 2006. What are leiberman's ratings now? he won out of past built up respect from his state. I disagreed, but admirable from the state in 2006. What leiberman has proceded to do does need to be rehashed here.

Needless to say his only support now is with the pro-isral lobby and the neocons. He has zero democratic support now. Zero. He is a repubican now, like clinton. You could compare clitnon to lieberman. not obama.

His carrer is over after his current stint, like clitnon. As democrats that is. I'm sure the gop will take them under their wing, like they are doing now, and will turn gop. That is the only route clinton and leiberman have left.

no one's buying it gop, I mean clinton supporters. Ned lamont, ahhahahahahha