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No, I was being silly and sarcastic because I didn't think my posts were very pandering. In fact (I have no desire to prove or argue you out of you view of me), when I read back the two previous posts, I noticed that each contained statements of my basic problem with Joan's stance. But hey, I'm sure you know that arguing about this type of perception issue can waste a lot of time in which actual ideas and observations can be discussed. That is part of the reason why I really want to hear Joan say more about her actual observations/thoughts related to the nature of Barack and Hillary's supporters. She mentions them a lot and even though it is not a topic I know how to generalize from, she obviously does. I do respect that she acknowledges the merits of the question and that it might do well to really consider it. But no hacker, just silliness.