Letters to the Editor
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Madam, your post reeks of the problem
You are ignorant towards Salon.
And you are ignorant towards me.
Question is: how small and limited is your mind, and are you truly willing to open and expanding it?
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good night and thanks to all
like manos, who keep my spirits up in america's darkest days and finest hour.
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That Zobha woman on the banner ad Scares me.
Yeah she is pretty hot in a generic banner ad kind of way, but she's got that serious Tom Cruise Scientology glare/smile. It's kinda freaking me out a little.
(Please enjoy your regularly scheduled flaming, already in progress).
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Tipping Points
I wish that I could say something that would give pause in this conflict. I am a woman, a feminist, a mother, and I don't want Hillary to be the nominee. Sir Elton is shocked at all the misogynists in this country. I wonder if he counts someone like me in that grand sweep. I used to love Bill and Hillary and now they just make me tired. I am sickened when I hear that nearly 30% of Hillary's supporters say they'll vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee and nearly 20% of Obama's supporters would do they same were she to win.
The Supreme Court Justices that still believe in our Constitution can not hold out for another four years of Republican rule. McCain is intent on keeping our men and women in Iraq and is as unwilling to listen to any alternate view as the current administration has been. As he endlessly ratchets up the rhetoric and mixes up the players, McCain now seems hell bent on going to war with Iran despite a military that is exhausted and stretched to the breaking point.
There are many saying it is already too late to stop climate change, that we've crossed a threshold. There are food riots going on across the planet due to shortages caused by climate change, the high price of fuel making it too expensive to transport food, and farmers getting better crop prices for bio fuels, and yet, people say they'll vote for McCain if their first choice doesn't win the nomination.
We have $4 a gallon gas today and oil companies are raking in obscene profits while lobbying to keep tax breaks while telling us that the money they are making really has no connection to the price we are paying at the pump. Now I am being told that it is elitist to say people are bitter and that in frustration, some turn to guns, God, and blaming immigrants for the troubles they see around them. I am bitter and I am angry and I can't believe that the people of this country are threatening such rampant stupidity, but I've been through 7 1/2 years now of stunned disbelief already. These circumstances require us all to wise up immediately.
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Irish-Catholic working class backgrounds like mine
"Barack Obama does have an affluent, educated, Ivy League sense of self-righteousness and entitlement that my Irish Catholic working-class side occasionally chafes at. So does Michelle Obama. So does Jeffrey Toobin. So do some of our Obama supporting readers. So sue me."--J. Walsh
Hillary Clinton appears to me to have a definitely elitist view of her relationship to her constituents (and note the elitist philosophy of The Family society she is a member of) and disturbing sense of entitlement that I chafe at. I wasn't attributing it to my Irish Catholic working-class side but perhaps you are suggesting I should be considering that possibility?
Seems projection just keeps on flying from her campaign and her supporters. I am thinking more and more about the maturity issues in this campaign. Grow up Joan. Your comment about not being invited was particularly telling.
and btw, I remain most definitely non-affluent and state university educated;
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All this Hillary stuff
With her bitterness guff
We gotta say "that's enough!"
Gotta sweeten things up!
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luminesce
_____"Question is: how small and limited is your mind, and are you truly willing to open and expanding it?"__________
Opening and expanding my mind to your reality would be monumentally recessive and poisonous. Your arrogance matches that of your candidate. You know! Like attracts like.
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@luminesce Dude[tte]
The way that can be talked about is not the way.
Are you offering the red pill and/or the blue pill?
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@WFB no worries, mate
Your mortality is reassuring to us in the cheapseats.
I'm actually getting more and more interested in this little spat. There are two divergent families of narratives and I think they are spinning out of control of all the campaigns. It looks to me like it will not die out for at least another few media cycles.
I'm looking at news.google.com on this story and there is a lot of stuff out there. Some of it is pro and con Obama, but a lot is also about how Hillary and McCain are trying to leverage this incident, which to my (not) humble eyes, paints them in a less than noble light (aka cynical bastards). The average voter will probably have an opinion about this issue, real soon now.
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mr fester dont take that pill!
pills are bad they said so in school
except the pills on tv those are ok
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@ festering sore - you should really get that looked at
* Obama's entire strategy from day one has been to use Republican talking points against Hillary Clinton. "Fester Disagrees."
This is the part where you remain oblivious as to why people have a problem with Obama.
* He implied that the Clinton administration did no more than the two Bush administrations for working Americans The manufacturing base, particularly in OH, and PA has been declining for decades since the '70s. If you have some studies showing that trend reversed during the Clinton admin, particularly in OH, and PA, I'd be happy to concede this point.
Real wages increased for the only time in the last several administrations when Clinton was president. Where in my remarks did I mention Ohio and Pennsylvania? Your response does not address what I said. BTW, is Barack Obama saying that he will reverse that trend? From your response, that is the implicit promise.
* I don't think anyone needs to forgive Obama. They can listen to his own words and make up their own minds. I thought the bit about clinging to guns and religion out of frustration was a mistake. Your mileage may vary regarding his intent. But the anger part was dead on.
Other Obama supporters do feel that he was correct and therefore no one should react to his words, other than to accept them as truth. Surely you have read these posts. My remarks were not directed at you though you seem to have taken them that way. Barack himself seemingly feels justified. I can identify a parallel between what you characterize from Hillary Clinton as politically stupid and a blunder with what Obama said about Pennsylvanians in small towns. Maybe you can see this parallel, but other Obama supporters simply do not, which was one point of my post. The LBJ/MLK remarks were right on, and I believe that it is intellectually dishonest and morally corrupt to impugn someone's intention because they are raising the issue of Presidential leadership in a presidential primary. Furthermore, it is cowardly to hide behind a claim of racially divisive remarks, rather than confront people's concern about Obama's lack of experience. You may not agree, but you seem to have blinders about this issue. Some things do not have scientific proof, but are born of more common sense insight and experience.
* I didn't think the Hillary MLK/LBJ remarks were racist, though others may disagree. They were politically stupid and a blunder. There's nothing to forgive. I have posted at length on this topic.
I did not say others said they were racist, and only a fool would say that they were indeed racist. By what reasonable, not half-assed, rationale would they be racist?
* The only rationale that I can find for the Obama candidacy is that he feels that he is superior to Hillary Clinton. That's just your opinion. You're welcome to it.
(You left out part of what I said) Tell me then what is his rationale? He is the great unifier? That is a laugh. He is a different kind of politician? That is also patently absurd.
See, I feel as non-rational as I did before I started.
Indeed you are.