Letters to the Editor
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@ mdlewis
Thank you for a thoughtful (and exhaustive! :) response.
I agree pretty much with everything you say.
Ftr, Edwards was my first choice too, but over time I've come to fall in love with Obama as a candidate.
It seems as if a lot of people have that response: as they get to know him, they like him more and more.
Given that there are so, so many serious issues in this election that McCain is on the wrong side of (war, economy), it's really hard to see how Wright-type smears can carry the day.
Not this time (so we hope!).
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@ virtue001: Your Unending List of (ahem) Lies...
is mostly bunkum. But I don't know where to start to re-debunk them. Let's just say that snopes.com and factcheck.org have been busy little beavers debunking nearly all of these (ahem) lies.
You might want to head on over to these sites (if you dare) and find out for yourself.
OTOH, you sound like a pretty hardened Obama follower, so I doubt that the truth will set YOU free.
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Agreed on Obama
I've gone back and forth on Obama since he came on the scene in 2004. After Edwards dropped out, I was really pulling for Obama, because he wasn't Clinton. His speech on race moved me firmly into his camp, and I hope Edwards has been listening closely. Obama has really picked up Edwards' narrative and folded it into his own, something Clinton has not been nearly effective at doing. (Which is odd considering the economy is supposed to be her strong suit.)
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When we look under McCain's tent we will find...
The same cabal that hides along K street. People, once the primary circus ends, will realize McCain is a trojan horse of a once hero. They will then stop the foolishness.
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subprime
The subprime lenders, Obama and the American people all want an economic environment where houses can be bought and money can be made. Nothing the "Obama haters" have said has convinced me that Obama is not going to work for this.
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Speaking of "Edwards's narrative"
Just how much does much does Obama really care about the lunch bucket crowd, the people at the heart of Edwards's strongest social concerns? Well, enough to lie big-time in Ohio, apparently:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjQ5YmQ0NDhiNjliOWFhODU4N2U2MjhiZWQ1MTE4NDg=
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from the same page of National Review Online
McCain's World
Foreign Policy: John McCain's vision of the U.S. role in the world includes completing the victory in Iraq and forging a new alliance of free nations. The contrast with his two Democratic rivals couldn't be starker.
Going to the National Review for info on Obama is like going to Mother Jones for info on McCain.
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Kate the Hater
Our son in law is a union electrician. All his friends, who are our friends too, take their lunch to work, sometimes in buckets. As a group, they are extremely impressed by Obama and equally mistrustful of our Bosnian War Heroine, Hill the Thrill. so, generalize your way into oblivion, hatemonger. Your disdain for blacks, well educated people, voters who have refused to drink the Klinton Koolade, latte sippers, skinny dippers, and anyone else who dare disagree with you, drips from every syllable of your pathetic posts like bile from a diaper. Odd you take losing so poorly; you've obviously had a lifetime of practice. love heywood.
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MoveOn Petition
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Subject: Do Billionaires Own the Democratic Party?
Hi,
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Thanks!
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Why do Obama supporters even bother to respond to Joan's posts?
I have pretty much stopped coming to Salon, which is noteworthy only because I really used to come here often and consistently until it became evident to me that this is no more than a blog site, and a rather amateur one at that (I heart Greenwald, though, and I wish he would move over to another site).
I find Joan's posts to be particularly repugnant. Her Hillary-worship has the myopic vision of a fundamentalist, and her blogs are filled with a similar rage (the kind you see simmering underneath a taut, perpetually plastered smile). I see this in many Hillary Clinton supporters (especially the white women supporters). They feel that Clinton has some kind of epistolic right to the presidency. Clintonians remind of young Pol Pot (the persona before returning to Cambodia): His/their right to power is pretty much a priori.
Joan's posts are particularly insidious because they are meant to come to us with supposed authority: they are written by the "editor" and they pretend to be "analytical." However, the content of her blogs is nothing more than regurgitations of Fox News propaganda (and Wolf Blitzer fits in there) -- selective, reductive, and agenda/propaganda-driven. I can, however, stomach Fox News and Wolf because they are at least open (refreshingly open) about their rabid denunciation of Obama.
Joan, on the other, attempts to come across as earnest, when the supposed earnestness is manufactured and disingenuous. Her posts on race are particularly hilarious (in a WTF?-Seriously, WTF?-kind of way). She will never be a minority and she will never understand the world/experience/subculture of minorities, even if she has friends who are minorities and she attends insipid conferences about race relations in New Orleans (how symbolic/metonymic, in a groan-OMFG kind of way).
I strongly recommend to Obama supporters to drop this site.
Look, the war between Obama and Clinton supporters has become so toxic and so entrenched that reconciliation is futile. The enmity is personal, obviously, and attempts at dialogue are futile.
So, Obama supporters, expend your energy elsewhere. We have a lot of work to do.