Letters to the Editor
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-- bookishcynic
but I still think it might be important to hammer home the point that no matter how much you dislike Hillary or Obama, its important not to be a petulant child about it. The election is too important and another Republican Pres would be a disaster. Please Bloggers, save people from themselves and call them on thier immaturity for responding that way to polls.
You know what I hate more than anything, is pollyannas who refuse to see the blatant abuse of the system and try to spread the tar around equally between 2 quite disparate candidates. One who has pretty much stayed above the fray and the other who has shamelessly exploited fearmongering and deceit. For lack of a better analogy, it is like giving Hitler the benefit of the doubt.
What you fail to consider is, that Obama will win the nomination through a democratic process. Hillary will STEAL the nomination. Get it? She has more in common with John McCain than members of her own party. Why do you think so many of her old friends and colleagues have left her in droves and are endorsing and supporting Obama?
Me and mine will never vote for Hillary because she would have STOLEN the nomination. We will not vote for McCain either. We will leave the Democratic Party and sign up with the Green Party. We will not vote for any Democrat in any election - state, local or federal. That is the cost Dems will have to pay if they subvert the system.
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Normally, yes
The way Clinton is waging her campaign, nope.
That's exactly the problem.
In normal times and within accepted norms of campaigning, this would all be true.
When you start praising the Republican and bashing the Democratic front runner, comparing him badly to the Republican, this is not only unheard of, it's highly damaging to your own party.
She must know that he's almost certainly going to be the nominee now. So telling the world that "McCain brings experience....Obama brings one speech he gave" is good for the Democrats?
That's why people are guessing that she must be thinking "me or no one" or at least "me in 2012 after McCain has soured people even further on the GOP". Because she's acting like she's campaiging for McCain, and against Obama.
It's precisely because of how Clinton has campaigned that so many are so furious with her. And why this analysis is off base.
Normally, yes. Given Clinton's scorched Earth campaigning, nope. Doesn't work. It's bad for the party. It's horrible for the party. John McCain is actually getting a free ride, right now, and Hillary praising him at every turn is not helping.
I just hope some adult steps in soon, and throws enough wieght behind Obama that she loses big enough to get the picture.
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Refusing to vote for hillary is not equal to voting for mccain and doesn't make you petulant
I don't see myself voting for Hillary. That doesn't mean I WOULD vote for McCain. My refusal to vote for Hillary has nothing to do with being petulant. It is based on the notion that I believe she would be a destructive force (just as McCain would be and as Bush has been) for our country. I refuse to lend tacit or explicit support to any candidate that I do not feel is qualified -- in other words, I'm not going to sell out on my beliefs or principles by voting for someone who I believe is not just "not as good as" Obama but who is downright WRONG for the job. Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.
This whole notion of "if you wouldn't vote for Hillary in November then you are petulant, un-American etc etc" argument is the exact same playbook that Bush has been pulling from for the last 8 years ... if you ain't for us, you're agin' us. Crimony... Can't you all see that Clinton is behaving exactly like Bush with a skirt...er, designer pantsuit on.
It isn't petulance. It is principle. As I said before, the lesser of 2 evils still = evil.
To Carol who has done the reverse psychology psycho schtict trying to interpret Joan -- you sound like you are hot off your freudian psycho analysis psych class. you are WAAAAY over analyzing Joan's blogs. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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@ Ricardo
"Why is the Clinton Campaign using the right-wing echo chamber - indeed the very same conspiracy-minded paranoiacs that were once the bêtes noires of the Democratic party - to inflict damage on her Democratic counterpart?
What exactly is going on here?"
As I see it, Clinton is a textbook case of becoming what you oppose.
Stockholm syndrome, maybe?
No, probably not that, exactly, but something about learning all too well the tactics employed against them, mastering those tactics, and using them in a desperate campaign whose chief goal seems increasingly to be personal (political) survival.
And Brutus is an honorable man.
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Adults stepping in? Unlikely
But the next best thing is you can go to house.gov or senate.gov and send a message to your congresscritters/super delegates and tell them why you think Obama or Hillary is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
I just hope some adult steps in soon, and throws enough wieght behind Obama that she loses big enough to get the picture.
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Carol
I meant no malice. It's just that I've read 'Barak' too many times today. (go back and read my letters - I'm sure I'm far more dyslexic that you - and make arguments far inferior to yours)
Who called WES, Dean or Brando? If anyone is in Louisville, go outside right now and look up. Can you see WES's ego floating in the clouds? Thought so.
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Joan's Post is undermined by War Room
War room just put up a post about an 11% increase in voter registrations for the Democrats in Pennsylvania. However, stats are starting to show that some of those "democrats" are voting for Clinton in the primary in order to draw out the process and give McCain an edge in November. Apparently Rush Limbaugh is promoting this (big surprise). And unfortunately, our election laws are so arcane that this doesn't qualify as voter fraud.
However, more to the point, is that this completely undercuts Joan's logic. And I don't know anyone who can say that a longer process is helping. And lest we think I'm an Obama supporter who would be asking him to fight on if the shoe were on the other foot, I advocated for him dropping out of the race a month ago when it became clear that Hillary Clinton just wasn't going to take no for an answer, and a protracted primary would damage not only the party's chances now, but also his chances for a return candidacy in the future.
This race is a mess. And honestly, it's making us look very, very bad. I remember when we looked at the Republicans early in the primary with McCain and Romney and Huckabee sniping at each other, and chuckling to ourselves about infighting in the Republican party. This is 10 times worse than anything the Republicans did to themselves, and with Limbaugh and the Wingnuts getting involved in the Democratic primary process, someone needs to end this game now. Because it ain't a game anymore. 300 million Americans and 6 billion people are relying upon good leadership being in the White House. this isn't about a "spirited election" or "good feeling democratic process". This is about our lives and livelihoods, and the press, and Clinton and Obama are treating it like just another bloody game.
Personally, this entire debacle should highlight what a bloody mess the primary process truly is. And as for Michigan and Florida I have one thing to say: Sorry, but life ain't fair. If you want to complain, complain to Iowa and NH who rely on Press Tourism every four years for part of their revenue, and so are stubbornly, intractably insistent upon being First. I live in IL, and by the time the race got to me, my candidate wasn't even in it. So my vote didn't count either. The primaries are run in the most arcane manner possible, and it's time the system get changed to prevent this kind of protracted bloodbath.