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I find it funny Hillary is blamed for the Canada Gate and Rezko Gate. It looks like the Skeletons are about to come out of Obama closets. Can the Dems when once all his skeletons come out? Hillary is the best to fight McCain. We all have seen her skeletons.
I had a lot of problems with the idea of stripping Florida and Michigan of all of their delegates and basically disenfrancising all of the voters from these states to punish them for moving up their primaries. At the very least, this is an extremely antidemocratic solution and goes against what our nation is supposed to stand for. You cannot punish a state political party by rendering the votes of these citizens invalid.
It was also a major mistake politically for the party. Florida is a must-win in the general election and it's not exactly inspiring to the Democratic voters in these states that their votes didn't matter in the primary, but they are asked to vote for the Democratic candidate in the general election. The voters in these states deserve to have their say.
Will it change the balance in the deligate count? I don't know, but that doesn't mean that restoring their deligates or requiring a re-vote would not be beneficial to both the party and the process. The convention is promising to be contentious enough (which is not necessarily a bad thing) but there will be nothing that leaves a more sour taste in my mouth than to see the deligates from these two states sitting silently and having no part in the process.
While I do believe that the votes which already took place in January for Michigan and Florida "should" be counted..... I don't think a "re-vote" is necessary. It is a violation of our constitutional rights that a "republican" governor of our state (who has since been seen standing on stage at McCain's side at every rally) could make a conscious decision that would negate all democratic votes in the State of Florida - without the people of this state having a voice! It is incomprehensible that a politician can have that much authority in this day and age that would overturn all democratic votes in a predominantly democratic state. That said - let it be noted that the Obama campaign can complain all day long about the mud-slinging political ads - But Hillary Clinton STILL won by a landslide in Florida despite the lack of any TV ads, radio promos, campaign propaganda, and/or public debate in Florida. That in itself should speak loudly enough for what the people in the State of Florida are saying, loud and clear, "We Want EXPERIENCE - WE WANT HILLARY"!!
It is amazing that I can, in the year 2008, see headlines about our candidates' body parts as if they all of a sudden matter in the election.
Our nation, which talks the talk about equality, still focuses on physical attributes of candidates IF AND ONLY IF they are anything other than white skinned and male.
These are body parts. The skin, being the largest organ on the body (sorry guys), and the genitalia which determines for the most part, the sex of the person are body parts, people. BODY PARTS.
The stage has been so set, that the expected norm is all white-skinned and male. Obviously, these two body parts must arrive together on the candidate, otherwise it is an issue to raise eyebrows over.
Wouldn't it have been shocking to read descriptions of Gore and Bush in the headlines like, "Is Silver Hair and Green Eyes An Issue For Many Voters" and worse, having it actually be the deciding factor?
I recently saw an interview of a room full of people who admitted that 'race and gender' are going to be the determining factor for many American voters.
I am sickened at the narrow-mindedness of so many Americans who let body parts make the important decision concerning the presidency. It is disturbing that the most powerful job in our entire nation rests,for many, sadly, on genitalia and skin tone.
Once again, Clinton is accused of going negative when what she has done is what the Media should be doing ... asking the hard questions. Should Florida and Michigan vote again? ... of course not ... they voted already and they voted for Clinton. All candidates were on the ballot in Florida and Clinton had a higher percentage of the vote than Obama and Edwards combined. In Michigan, Obama "chose" not to be on the ballot ... a decision, like his "being against Iraq" ... should stand. Clinton has proven that against massive Media bias, reverse race discrimination, and Obama out-spending her 10-1 ... she is the winner! ... and the cadidate for the Democratic Party.
I don't really care what the democrats do at this point. If you believe the primary results in Michigan meant anything, than I think you need a seeing eye dog. I have always voted democrat. Again in the last sham I did the same. As did many of my friends, this time thou we voted with limited choice for whom we thought the Republicans could beat. I'm really glad to see McCain as the Republican. The democrats said they don't want our vote. I'm going to let them have there way. McCain all the way.
Since the Democrates and Republicans had trouble with a date the first time, they cost Michigan $10,000,000 for a vote no one wanted. Michigan is an econmicially depressed state already, why drain more money out of the coffers. If the candiates want the delegates from Michigan let them pay for the vote, it will only cost EACH $10,000,000. Do superdelegates get paid and if so by who? Bobbi jack
I think it's going to be a problem for the Democtrats in November if they tell the voters in either state (who had no control over either the stupidity of their State Democtrats, in MI, or the Republican Party, in FL) that so sorry, you didn't count before but please, turn out and support our nominee in the general!
Since these are actually states that might matter to them in the general, I think saying, Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, but we want your vote, even though you had nothing to do with the situation that made your primary 'illegitimate' is not a good idea. But, it would be even worse if they decided to re-do MI and seat the delegates and tell FL to fuck off. Or, the other way around. I think they need to find a way to seat these delegates, not for the candidates themselves, but for the sake of the general election. If a do-over is what it takes, then a do-over it should be.
So, if they are going to have a do-over, it should be both. And, it should be in the same format as the first go-round. If it had been a caucus the first time, they would do a caucus. But it wasn't. These states are set up for primaries and that's the way they should do it, if they do it.
Will this cut into the funds the DLC might have available to fund House and Senate races? Yes. However, do they want to get this resolved, and seat the delegates, or not? If they have a do-over and seat the delegates from both states, I suggest all of you who were so angry over this issue dig into your pockets and contribute when the DLC calls to fund the congressional races.