This is nobrainer no matter who you support. Florida and Michigan have gotten their 'punishment'-- their early votes will be deemed meaningless, and were generally treated as such by the media. Michigan in particular was robbed of the chance to choose the nominee-- a victory over 'uncommitted' is no victory at all.

Maybe the national Democratic party could offer to fund a caucus and the states could bring in the extra money to bring it to a primary if the party leadership chooses?

Democrats have two powerful candidates who each have a lock on their own portion of the electorate. Hillary won last night but she is still behind Obama in the delegate count with little hope of catching up even by August even if she declaring wins in MI and FL. Obama, following the national Democratic rules, did not campaign in those states; his name was not even on the ballot in MI. It would be perceived as an out and out theft if she took the nomination this way and as a consequence his supports would in anger not vote in November in the numbers she needs to win. The energized younger voters Obama has brought in in droves will say "whatever" and a portion of the African American population would turn their backs on Hillary in anger.

Many Independents and even many of those who just voted for Hillary will not choose her in November. Remember this week she conveniently pointed out in a self-defeating argument that John McCain has a life time of experience and compared to her he has much more experience than she can claim. So men will chose McCain as will security-concerned soccer moms who will be frightened into voting for him by Republican scare tactics. Without an energized army of motivated under- 30's, without energized African Americans, without the active support of those who believe in Obama, we will be poised for Bush 3.0. Hillary, champion of woman, will ensure that with his Supreme Court picks McCain will return woman's rights to the dark ages for a generation to come.

Older woman will argue that they in turn will not support Obama because of his youth and inexperience. Many in their devotion to Hillary remain blind to his power to move players to a new game board just as FDR did, just as Reagan did. Government went for being the solution under FDR to being the problem under Reagan. We need someone who, through his power to define and inspire, can reinstate the power of government to act as a referee once again ensuring economic justice.

We need a combined ticket and it may come down to a coin toss at the convention whose name is at the top. The vice presidency has been redefined by this administration. These two historic figures could redefine it further. Our problems are bigger than one person can tackle efficiently, let's show the world what can be done with a powerful team of two. McCain would seem insignificant competing against this powerful duo.

Democrats should demand that Hillary and Obama be on the ticket together. The two of them should outline the role of the VP before the voting at the convention takes place. FL and MI can be seated. Delegates can cheer not jeer, Democrats will win big in November, and this watershed moment in American history will let us revive our greatness at last.

This is a race among the people of velocity as the men of retro thinking sit on the side. Republicans have placed us the country in a isolated quagmire abroad and economically downward spire globally. As a former military ego is awarded the millstone of protecting the old by W today in the fashion of defeated French republic with Petain and failed Weimer with von whomever, lets us not forget that our vitality and ability to change our nation's path lies within the momentum of our races to Denver. Let the superdelegated lie fallow where they belong.

- the only hope you, Hillary, Obama and every reasonable Democrat left in this country has, is if there is some kind

of emergency meeting between Hillary and Obama, where they sit down together and pledge, that from now on - they will outdo each other in praising the virtues of the democratic candidates. Perhaps - but only "perhaps" they will be able

to repair some of the damage they already have been done.

Both of the democratic candidates are so successful in bringing each other down, that by August their "image" will approach the "image" of a Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid.

I always thought you Dems (especially on Salon) are a little bit "sharper" as the Rep's and that's why I suggested this site to some of the "younger folks". They think you are slowly out of your mind. Besides the fact, that some of them never will forgive writers like sobeOne or dawggone killing their "hope" they just don't understand why you are not able to get together.

Last night at the war room this helpless editor again had to delete post after post and I tried to explain the raging madness with some of the writers being "suicidal" or "Closetrepublicans". It really didn't help and I desperately pointed out some of the sane writers like liberty or texaslawyer, who wrote: One good thing that came from the caucus is we all got to meet some new Democrats from out neighborhood. And at the end, we all pledged to support either candidate, whichever one won the nomination. Sounds like we got a lot more done tonight than the posters on this thread! Filthyharry doesn't believe in the political process in this country and considers voting as kind of supporting a criminal cause - I tried to reason with him but definetly lost in the end and Jebldmm wrote: You wouldn't believe the garbage passing for truth on Daily kos right now. It used to be a good site, but most people who have the ability to rub two brain cells together to form a spark have headed for higher ground. It is a series of mudfests all aimed at either promoting Obama or trashing Clinton.

That's it - Salonistas- and every single day these type of "mudfests" on Daily Kos AND on Salon are going on - YOU ARE LOSING!! Obama is losing - Hillary is losing - Joan is losing and even the nice young man from the war room is losing BIG TIME!! We might not find enough Americans by November anymore, who are willing to vote for such a bunch of losers and their downgrated and castrated candidat!

I never thought I would use the "s" word here - but your chaotic infighting and your constant plotting against your OWN candidates is "stupidity" beyond believe. And please don't tell me "this is the unavoidable desaster of the Internet".

Go to the housinbubbleblog.com and learn what you can achieve with a common cause and a common sense.

Learn guys - Learn! - because by november your major problem will be "the economy" anyway and you might regret, that you spent days after days building up John McCain without even

realizing it.