The Democratic National Committee has a rules committee which voted to strip Florida and Michigan of their delegates because those states were breaking party rules. The State committees had 30 days to modify their primary date and chose not to. This is all just talk. The DNC is not going to change the rules again because Hillary is losing. For those of you in Michigan and Florida, you have a bone to pick with your state parties. There will be no re-vote or seating of Florida or Michigan delegates at the convention. Get over it.

You know, I just find this incredibly worrisome in a man who would be president.

incredibly worrisome.

Who knows what scummy toads have bought and paid for HillBill? What are they hiding? What scummy deals are they concealing? Why won't she release her tax returns?

I am just trying to explain this from the point of view of the people who are absolutely enraged about this and don't want the FL delegates seated under the original vote. You'll get a variety of explainations:

Explaination 1 - "Clinton cheated and campaigned there when no-one else did": Except she didn't. But, they hate her so much they believe it. She showed up after the polls closed to thank the people who voted for her. She held a few private fundraisers, as did Obama, which is not considered campaigning. But, people simply won't listen.

Explaination 2 - "Even though neither one campaigned, the fact that they didn't campaign was an advantage to Hillary": Not quite as unbalanced as the first. There is evidence that Obama does better when he gets into a state and campaigns in person, because that's his strength. In this case, it was left up to people to watch the news, read the papers, or go to the internet (which provide "free" coverage to candidates and that's what you get, you can decide for yourselves whether it would have been a plus for either candidate). They could also have seen Obama commercials, which were deemed 'not campaigning' because they were part of a national media buy that he started 2 weeks before Clinton did. The DNC told him it wasn't campaigning, I have to believe their ruling would have been the same for Clinton if she had chosen to do this. His supporters say the ads didn't help him because he needed to be there to impact the outcome.

Explaination 3 - "Voter suppression":Because people didn't think their vote would count, they didn't vote in the numbers they would have, because they were actually only showing up because of some referrenda that were on the ballot, not because they were actually voting in the Democratic Presidential Primary. Therefore, there was voter suppression.

Explaination 4: "They voted when they weren't supposed to, so fuck 'em."

"ut it was brought up on this morning's today show that the primaries were moved by the GOP in each State, "

Well, the record will show that the Democratic Party does not control the legislature in FL. The record will also show that the Democratic Party voted for this, and that the bill to move the primary in FL was introduced by a Democrat. So, they are not without problems here.

The uber-lefties are NUTS. I repeat NUTS.

FL and MI have already voted and the demographics that go to HRC, the elderly and hispanics ensure Florida stays in her court. Same thing with Ohio and Michigan's demographics.

Do you know what having this showdown to come up with the same results would COST ? Do you understand the GOP already has over triple the money????

How stupid are you and where do you come up with this stuff.

Last night's victory PROVED Hillary is viable against McCain and Obama isn't. The elderly, the working class vote and hispanics ALL went to her (again) while Obama (again) settled for nutty white uber-liberals and their college-aged offspring and some race-obsessed urban blacks.

As for the Obamateur's rabid supporters, I have no patience for persons who willfully want to disenfranchise voters one day, and then scream that established party superdelegate rules are "unfair" the next. They can go back to their basements and logs and be single-celled microbes they are.

Here's the $64 question for all those purists that demand we keep MI and FL out of the primary vote counting picture? DO YOU REALLY WANT all those pissed off people - whose vote was denied now - still angry (as they surely will be) come November? Ask yourselves that in all seriousness.

Especially FL where an election was "lost" (in a manner of speaking, by being too close) in 2000.

It makes more sense to come to some sort of sane tallying - even if only partial. Thus, you have inflicted a puinshment, but avoided a total, one-off punishment that will have likely nasty consequences down the road.

The Ds, contrary to what Nader says, will need every last vote to defeat McCain in the fall. We will see all the rabid ocnservatives gradually rally around him as they consider what is to them, a nightmare world with either HRC or Obie in charge.

It is far too stupid a move to ignore the Michigan and Florida delegates, and play into the RNC's hands.

You haven't offended me at all. You're a voice of reason and intelligence in a sea of nuttery.

My ultimate fear centers around the situation with the delegates in Florida and Michigan. I can see a scenario where Obama officially gets the nomination even though Hillary got more delegates because the DNC refuses to count the delegates in Florida and Michigan. Naturally, Hillary would appeal to the DNC and Howard Dean (who has deeply disappointed me over this situation and with his lack of leadership in general) will continue to refuse to recognize FL and MI. Hillary will take the fight to court, it will be ugly and drawn out, and McCain will sit back and laugh while the rest of the country gravitates toward the GOP because they're disgusted with the chaos ensuing in the Democratic party. Hillary will ultimately lose in court and Obama will get the nomination. Florida and Michigan Democratic voters (those for Hillary in particular) will be disenchanted by being left out of the primary process and will stay home during the general election or will vote for McCain out of spite. McCain will win the presidency, pick Rick Santorum as his VP, and we'll have Dumb and Dumber running the show once again, which means invading Iran, sending more soldiers to Iraq, an economy that will continue to tank, the installation of religion in every public venue whether you like it or not, and the continued violation of the U.S. Constitution because Democrats in Congress will continue to be spineless and ineffective.

Not that I'm cynical or anything.