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At least with caucuses in Florida and Michigan, if not primaries.
These states were punished for moving up their primaries to try to have more effect on the Democratic party's nomination process. It's ironic, to say the least, that this has screwed up the nomination process and given Florida and Michigan more effect than he DNC has bargained for.
I am from Michigan and I was one of the RECORD NUMBER of citizens who went to the polls and voted in Feb. We had an opportuntity to vote uncommitted or for Clinton, or any of the Republican candidates. Hillary won the Democratic vote by a wide margin, she should get the delegates. The real question should be whether the DNC or GOP can deny us our representation at the national conventions.
It's interesting to see how many Clinton supporters are clamoring to change the rules as long as it benefits their candidate. Is the whole Michigan/Florida situation screwed up? You bet. Did everybody know about this months ahead of time? You bet. Did anybody pitch a fit about it until NOW? Why, no! No, they didn't.
It's particularly rich to read letters saying, "ZOMG, we shouldn't change teh rules! Count the Michigan and Florida votes!!!1!" Not bothering to note that counting the results of those particular votes IS changing the rules, as set months before the election. I guess rules don't apply when they're inconvenient.
I'm perfectly fine with letting Michigan and Florida get a do-over--particularly Michigan, since Hillary was the only major candidate who (conveniently!) left her name on the ballot. As others have noted, it's ridiculous to tell voters that their election doesn't matter, have most of the candidates absent from the ballot, and then AFTER the fact claim that the election reflects the will of the people. That's absurd, and everybody knows it--yet they'll argue in favor of it until they're blue in the face as long as it benefits THEIR candidate. That's not democracy; that's called "rigging the election."
But before Michigan and Florida get a revote, how about the rest of us who haven't voted at all yet get a shot? Some of us with late primaries are still patiently waiting our turn. Or have the TV talking heads and political gurus decided that we don't matter?
THERE CAN BE NO QUESTION THAT THESE TWO LARGE STATES NEED TO BE COUNTED EVEN IF IT INVOLVES NEW ELECTIONS.CAN THE DEMOCRATS AFFORD TO BE DISENFRANCHISING WHOLE STATES? I DON'T THINK SO.WE HAVE JUST GONE THROUGH TWO ELECTIONS WHERE THIS HAPPENED IN FLORIDA AND OHIO AND LOOK WHAT WE GOT.IF WE BELEIVE IN DEMOCRACY SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE AT LEAST EVERY VOTE COUNTS.I REALLY DON'T CARE WHAT THE OUTCOME IS. THE THE VOICE OF THE ELECTORATE MUST BE HEARD.HOW CAN WE TRY TO SPREAD DEMOCRACY ABROAD WHEN WE DON'T HAVE IT AT HOME?
Are you under the impression that Obama simply failed to put his name on the ballot in Michigan inadvertently??? No. They were all on the ballot initially -- Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Richardson, Dodd, Biden -- and then they all agreed not to campaign in either Michigan or Florida to abide by the DNC slap-down for running an early primary.
Obama, Edwards, Richardson and Biden took their names off the ballot in Michigan. Dodd left his on but then dropped out of the race before the primary. Clinton left her name on because it was "unnecessary" to take it off. Or because she was craftily planning ahead to plan to get delegates that the DNC had clearly stated would not be counted.
Mrs. Clinton and some posters here have spoken of "record turnout" -- maybe in Florida, but definitely not in Michigan.
As a Michigan voter, I would rather see none of our delegates count -- the stated rules -- than have them go for a bogus "winner" who gamed the system.
Supervisor's of Elections should have faught against the pushed up voting dates in Florida and Michigan. This should have been thought out regarding all the senarios, the good, the bad, and the dishonest. Especially, all the illegal voting procedures which took place during the time current President Bush was trying to win; instead of running a fair fight, Bush and his supporter's won by being dishonest. Gone, were the days of integrity until now. No, consequences have to be suffered, because of poor reasoning, and No one stepped up prior to both states voting, this is when the matter should have been addressed. I am disappointed that my and others voting did'nt mean anything in regards to delegates.
I'm from Michigan and have mixed feelings about a re-vote. Both Michigan and Florida knew the consequences of their actions, as did the candidates. Edwards and Obama stuck to the side of integrity by not putting their names on the ballot. Clinton did not. It's not as though there was any wrong-doing. I see a re-vote as just another name for cheating.
Let us not forget that FL and MI scheduled their rule-breakingly early primaries in the hopes that they would be able to have serious influence on who the candidate would be.
Re-voting at this stage of the game would accomplish that for them far better than having been counted earlier ever could have, so the state parties should be loving this.
Furthermore, the disenfranchisement issue absolutely can not be ignored. This is the case on so many front. All of those voters in MI and FL who are being told that they cannot have a hand in choosing the party's candidate are displeased. If we end up with Clinton -v- McCain, where the two candidates are seen (unfairly though it may be) as comparable, why wouldn't these voters throw their support to the party that embraced them during the primary season.
Plus there is the advantage that more pledged delegates will bring us that much closer to a convention where the SuperDelegates are strictly symbolic. The threat of making the Democratic Party the party of backroom deals is too serious to be toyed with.
Of course, it's ridiculous for me to say such a thing since the hope buried deep in my twisted heart is that this debacle gets thrown so deep into the bizarre rules and regulation the candidate selection process that someone entirely different from Clinton and Obama walks out the nominee.
It's all performance art anyway, may as well go big or go home.