Letters to the Editor
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Nazis in Skokie?
Godwin's law has been invoked before this conversation even got off the ground. Sigh...what's the next issue?
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Uh the Nazi's DID march in Skokie
The ACLU fought long and hard to allow them to march down mainstreet of the largest population of Holocaust survivors in America. "Outrageous" is a relative term.
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Yikes. Leave the Nazis out of it.
Sounds like one more person who likes dirty politics better than the candidates themselves do.
Can we please get a Nazi-imagery-free rundown of the real differences - and similarities - between Clinton's and Obama's health care plans? Besides climate change and Iraq, this is my biggest issue of interest this year, and it seems to be their biggest point of contrast. Thanks.
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And What Did They Say on the Obama Conference Call, Joan...
What? We won't hear about that part of the story? Gee, why am I not suprised?
And I guess I should also not be surprised that, even though the Clinton campaign has disavowed that comment, YOU choose to run the "Is Obama health-scare ad as bad as "Nazis marching in Skokie"? line right up there front and center in the promo for your blog post. I'm actually surprised you didn't make it the title of your post, so that you could get it to show up in Google feeds.
As Super Tuesday approaches, your pandering is becoming ever more obvious and undignified, and your credibility, already strained, is rapidly draining away.
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Damn Obama
He just hauled in 32 mill. He could become Hillary's V.P. today and put that into the kitty for both of them.
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Harry and Louise
look like they can afford health insurance. Sure, he's wearing a plaid shirt, but their kitchen is large,, with hardwood floors, wood cabinets, recessed lighting and nice furniture and fixtures.
And, as I said in a post to war room last night, I seriously don't "get" Obama's health plan. In the end, he says that he doesn't think anyone will not want health care (so everyone will voluntarily sign up), but if anyone doesn't sign on, and then needs care ("gaming the system"), they will be charged "back premiums." How is that different from the alleged "unaffordable fees" in HRC's plan?
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Didn't take him long
well forget about Mr Niceguy. What a change from last night at the debate. Played all nice and now BAM.
Just goes to show, He cannot be trusted. He speaks out of the wrong side of his mouth.
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the Health care plans
I don't know what the "right" answer on health care is, I just know that the Republicans' idea that there's nothing, including cancer, that can't be solved by freer markets, is not going to cut it.
But this might be helpful (sorry I'm terrible at hmtl): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harold-pollack/universal-coverage-and-t_b_84386.html
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The John Judis article
Joan, I don't know why you "respect" Judis so.
I read the article, and it is the usual one-sided commentary I have been seeing everywhere.
He says "Wilder, like Obama, ran a campaign that tried to transcend race..."
The fact of the matter is that Obama was happy to play the "race card" himself when he thought it would benefit him. I'm talking about his campaign's race-based talking points memo first published in the Huffington Post.
Whether Bill Clinton sent coded messages with his Jesse Jackson remark, and whether this is a "fatal mistake" for Hillary I don't know. What I do know is that Obama gets a pass on this whole race issue from the press.
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The Nazis pioneered "managed care"
I mean, if they're throwing the Nazi buzzword around, wasn't Bill Clinton all for managed care in the 90s? Though they didn't call it that, the Nazis first conceived of managed care as a way of triaging health care, of taking the individual's health care needs and suborning them to the society's larger health care requirements, with an emphasis on prevention instead of treatment, moving from health care as a human right to, well, health care as a scarce commodity, I guess, at the expense of the individual's actual health needs and requirements. Given the HMOs' track record on health care since Clinton's managed care movement in the 90s, it's pretty clear that denial of coverage is their favored method of managing care.
As for the Clintonian hit piece on Obama by way of proxies, what are you going to do? They'll hit as hard and as low as they possibly can, although I still think "mandatory private health insurance" is more accurate than "universal health care," for what Clinton's offering.
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From Joan Walsh
Portia56, if you follow the links, you'll see why I respect John. He's never one-sided. I had linked to his debunking the notion of a "Bradley effect" behind Clinton's NH win; I thought it only fair to link to his criticism of her campaign.
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@Portia56
Neither (Hillary) Clinton nor Obama played the "race card". It was Black voters and Bill Clinton who did that. Anyway, Bill (not Hillary) is the one catching all the heat for it, and he's not on the ticket, as we are often reminded. So what's the big deal?
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Mandating health insurance...
I've always thought that mandating health insurance was kind of a cock-eyed way of doing it, and certainly can't be considered universal health care (just like no one would say mandated auto insurance means everyone has auto insurance). Neither is Obama's voluntary plan. The only truly universal health care plan is single-payer insurance, paid for by a combination of federal and Medicare/Medicaid taxes. But since no one is offering that this election cycle, its a choice really between vaguely better and slightly better ways expanding insurance rolls.
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@ PeteyG
So, if your reasoning is correct, then the it was the white voters who played the race card when they all voted for John Edwards.
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"unaffiliated with Clinton"
so why are the Obama fans calling him a "surrogate"
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An OUTRAGEOUS Smear -- And Outrageous of Salon to Reprint it and Further It
"Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) " -- Ari Melber