A bit of a sidetrack, but its about time to put Rudolph Guiliani's "fabulous" post 9-11-2001 performance as NYC mayor, in some perspective.

First of all, he did NOTHING - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING - above and beyond that which any other mayor of any city in the world would've have done were his or her city attacked like NYC was that day.

IN a nutshell, he showed up for work and didnt go on vacation - big fucking deal.

In fact his retarded insistence on establishing the emergency command center not only in Lower Manhattan (which a commission had specifically recommended against) but specifically in the basement of the WTC created even more havoc on that fateful day than anyone colud've cared for.

People (including several on the left of the political spectrum) who've been drooling about his "cool calm demeanor in leading the city after the horrific events" should first slap themselves back to reality and then ask if this idiot is presidential material.

If David Dinkins had done EXACTLY the same job as Guiliani had done after 9-11, he would have been mercilessly berated for the "poor state NYC was left in after the attacks" to this day.

Just food for thought.

-Sharat

Keith Olbermann tells it like it is and that's one thing the Fox Network watchers can't stand is the truth because they never hear it on Fox

The hit piece on Keith Olbermann was merely the tip of the iceberg.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2007/05/pelosi.php

Joan, You were right on the mark with the AP story about Olbermann. I wonder where this writer will be when he does more reporting for the Republicans. I'm sure Fox News will give him a nice job reporting their facts about the unfair liberal media. I have been sick and tired of political talk shows giving the Republicans a 2 to 1 ratio advantage. I think 1 on 1 is much fairer, don't you? That's why it took Americans 6 years to finally see what Bush and his cohorts were doing to our country. We need more people laying out the facts not less. Just the facts should be enough but they aren't when you have a powerful noise machine twisting the facts like they did to John Kerry.

Not related But a Good example..........

CBS News Radio Identifies Ft Dix Terrorists as "Eastern Europeans"

Names of suspects: Mohamad Shnewer, Dritan Duka, Eljvir Duka, Shain Duka, Derdar Tatar and Agron Abdullahu.

Yeah, Right.

Fox hatred is required. On the Huffington Post, author Carol Hoenig argued the Democrats should debate on Fox. Even so, her article was headlined "Fox News: A Cancer On Society."

It’s about time the GOP put an end to this charade by refusing to debate on CNN or MSNBC when they employ left-wing political pundits who throw roses at liberal politicians while they hurl invective at Republicans. So why don’t they take a stand? Because they’re afraid of the consequences. The Democrats can refuse to debate on Fox News, and the other networks chortle. If the Republicans refuse to debate on MSNBC, they infuriate NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, PBS, and NPR.

So what? What are these networks going to do in retaliation? Stop covering them? The news media need both parties as much as the parties need the news media. Conservatives and Republicans should stop taking this long-standing injustice sitting down, and if they take a stand, their supporters will cheer.

The left-wing campaign to "unseat" Fox News (as the anti-Fox "News Hounds" blog calls it) should be a rallying cry for the GOP. If the left wants to assert that Fox is not a "legitimate" news channel, then the right should go to the mattresses to reply that the so-called "mainstream" media are an illegitimate gang of shameless Democratic partisans with James Carville on their speed dial.

That is all.

Elephantman says: "The difference between Olbermann and Brit Hume is that Brit Hume has years of straight news reporting experience that Olbermann doesn't have."

In light of the corporate news media's abandonment of journalism as too unprofitable and its reliance instead on right wing sources such as (in this case) Brent Bozell's MRC (whose main claim to fame is getting CBS to suppress 'The Reagans') THAT point of comparison is definitely in Keith's favor. I would ask for an example of Keith's alleged pro-Dem "partisan" bias; but I know that's a waste of time, as Elephantman won't answer, and as no one on Glenn Greenwald's parallel thread could come up with one.

To follow up on my post earlier in this thread, I watched Tom Tancredo (R) on "Tucker" to see if he would be asked there about his newly-revealed Evolution Denial; but alas he was not. It seems the corporate media has decided not to embarass right-wing christian GOP candidates by inquiring into their "faith" that Earth is but 6000 years old and Adam & Eve rode to church on dinosaurs. Meanwhile, any Dem who has ever earned a living or lived in a house or flown in a plane is a big fat phony who must be exposed. Some liberal media.

Joan, that was an excellent piece on Keith Olbermann ~ it was fair, informative, timely and needed under the present media environment.

Well done !

"Uberfemme intolerance

Not embracing others diverse viewpoints. How Unliberal!

Guess if many (especially on here) liberals use the term "Faux News" wow, they don't say the exact same thing- they are diverse !

-Palmerblade"

Ooooh! My Very Favorite Winger Comeback! ...the "How Unliberal!" ......a piquant and always amusing variant of : "HOW DARE you not tolerate my intolerance!"

The point of my post was that both sides do the same thing. I stated that IN THE POST ITSELF. What you "argued" above? Same thing. I said it....again..in the original post.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

Anyway,

Thanks for still existing! I love a good throwback.

Joan - really appreciate your comments about Keith and the ridiculous whining of Guiliani and the Republicans. I don't recall Keith Olbermann saying his is a news show and as you point out he always states when he is giving commentary. Contrast that with Fox News - anytime I watch a broadcast (always like to see what the other side is up to) - I'm all but shocked by the bias of everyone - even the weatherman! If anyone should remove the word News from a title it's Fox. Trying to equate Keith to Bill O' Reilly just shows how desperate conservatives are to try and deflect people from the fact that Republicans don't have a viable Presidential candidate (or for that matter President!)

I also have to wonder if how can Guiliani portray himself as being a great leader, tough on terror, etc. when he can't even take a few negative (correct) words thrown his way. If he couldn't take Keith's mild comments what happens when people start coming after him about the multiple marriages, cross-dressing pictures and being married to a cousin! A this rate I predict tears from Rudy by mid campaign!