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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
Jonathan,
Would you care to enlighten us how you feel about the most horrendous form of collective punishment being administered to Gaza's civilians (all this in response to home made rocket that have killed 20 people over 8 years!)?
"The more Qassam [rocket] fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, they will bring upon themselves a bigger shoah [Holocaust] because we will use all our might to defend ourselves," Matan Vilnai, Israel's deputy defence minister, told army radio."
- http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/29/israelandthepalestinians1 (February 2008)
You say: "What's beyond dispute is that, if Israel wanted to inflict truly heavy civilian casualties, we could, any time. In fact, we could just bulldoze Gaza into the sea. We haven't."
Just because Israel could behave even worse that it's doing now does not make what it's doing now OK.
I don't know whether Israel is deliberately targeting civilians or not, but even if you take Israel at its word that it is not, it KNOWS, by the densely populated rat-trap that Gaza has become, there will be many innocent people killed and injured.
But they do it anyway.
It seems clear that the only thing that would stop this slaughter was if Israel felt it was losing the PR battle. But they are currently winning the battle in Israel and its sponsor the US, even if not in the rest of the world and the UN.
It's this that so dismays wishy-washy liberals like me: the large-scale loss of innocent Palestinian lives seems meaningless to most Israelis (and many Americans) and is a perfectly acceptable consequence of their actions.
You can't help asking yourself: what sort of people are these? Do they have no humanity?
Yes, Sharon was found "personally" and "directly" responsible for only turning a blind eye to the massacre of civilians at Sabra and Shatilla. A distinction without a difference. I mean, Gosh! who would have thought that lighting the way for and letting a bunch of murders and rapists into a concentration camp would lead to a massacre! Of course, the second part of the Kahan Commision Reprt was labelled Top Secret and never made public. We can only presume it was full of praise for Sharon and the IDF.
Matan Vilnai made a poor choice of words. So?
Please answer my questions, I wasn't asking why Hamas hate the Isrealis.
Just because Israel could behave even worse that it's doing now does not make what it's doing now OK.
True. But there are people who say that Israel is intentionally harming Palestinians and even committing genocide! The fact I cited shows this is not true. Unless we're committing a part-time, half-hearted, lazy-assed kind of genocide. Or maybe we're so into genocide we want it to go on forever, like a hobby...
there will be many innocent people killed and injured
True. But Israel is (according to intl law) entitled to take violent action against rocket fire on our cities.
the large-scale loss of innocent Palestinian lives seems meaningless to most Israelis
I don't know how you measure such a thing, but I'll say this: You are in no position to judge that. Rockets have been launched against Israel for eight years.
EIGHT. FUCKING. YEARS.
Where have you been for the last eight years? What have YOU done to stop the rocket fire?
For eight years, people in the south of Israel have had to deal with this shit, which nobody should have to deal with even once. Quite frankly, I'm ashamed we waited this long.
I knew you wouldn't dare review the Hamas Charter and write about it here.
And Hamas and the other wacko groups are the problem. Not all the Palestinians. Don't you know that Israel has been negotiating with the PA???
Or, teach snarls to readers. Use 198 methods to Learn to Snarl.
Or, how to sleep in ghetto sheds, instead of a underwear store.
Or, teach how to barf in a public toilet at a greyhound bus station.
Or, inform Salon staff writers why it's a bad idea to snore on railroad tracks.
Or, if wearing a straw conical hat makes one a better lawyer who gulps hate? Tell?
Or, why belch self-loathe which soils lawyer-blogs? huh. Write `Why delete book?
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Spare humanity. Shield from unclaimed bitterness. Gads. Gargle. Rattle as a baby snake?
Guzzle toxic crap, which is projected, and burp into a baby bottle filled with skunk urine?
Cranky? Please read Gene Sharp? Gene Sharp is founder of:` The Albert Einstein Institute. There are recorded case studies from around the world that inform Nonviolence can work. Gene Sharp has Integrity. Honesty. And has done the, Self-Examination. The hard, inward look, at You/me. a Self. No one needs to boast 'um some member of an "Ameirican intelligentsia's collective brain." okay. Get a GED diploma? A inferior eggheads lowly ego expand?
Grovel? Grow a lizard gizzard? Kidney?
A kneecap? Focus: I'll go view `Waltz With Bashir.
Gary Kamiya, Gene Sharp, Andrew O'Herir etc., inspire.
Ari Folman is not a political film maker. Yea, Great!
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O/T? I was in Israel in 1973. I left Israel just before the War.
I was Drafted in 1969. I hopped into a fry pan of war's horror.
In 1973, My wish was to study local Hebrew with land-dwellers.
I was a ignorant farm-hand who wanted to pick cotton and apples.
I loved the short gig on a kibbutz. It is a vivid memory, and so is war.
Gary Kamiya mentions Ari Fulman's war-wounded had difficulty Remembering?
I'd say:`That's Nature's Protection. War Memory has killed many a young soldier.
I was opposed,*, Vietnam. War shaped and formed me. To deletes? I'll remember.
Any insult can strengthen my resolve. Or- A ghetto of Gaza City breed Strengths!
No human needs to be bombed. Or, impugned. A lawyers do cross-examinations?
There are Justification for human Passions. Outrage. Determination. Inner Resolves.
Well, for years I'd say: No buy any computer. Buy a team of good mules. What Next?
Maybe I'll lob a bunch of harmless deleted comments? Nonviolent Barrage? There all so intended to express... nonviolent.... ideology, as a goal. I'm not a label.
Please know my family were morning chatter people? Sometimes a war nightmare?
I mean no harm. Habits are not easy to break. Morning chatter cafe? I'll convey my thoughts. If an idea was intended as Peace, no Delete. That would sure make for more family/community disfunction. Foolish. Anyway. If there was no computer, I'd read?
Maybe I'd read Rumi's Unfold Your Own Myth. I recall post-war viewing a flick, This:
A return-Vietnam Veteran was in a high school to speak to counter a Army Recruiter.
As a Army Recruiter spoke, I listened. When a Vet spoke:`I shouted aloud`Tell `um!
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
219 Democrats and one Republican join in favor of the legislation, which passed by a narrow margin
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