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Tuesday, January 6, 2009 12:00 AM

The Israel rules

America's support of the Gaza attack proves once again that our mythical image of Israel has blinded us to its faults -- a myopia with devastating consequences for both countries.

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Tuesday, January 6, 2009 08:04 PM

Amy Tuteur

Did you know, that the Israeli Knesset voted against a law that would have prevented Israeli soldiers from using Palestinian children as human shields? Nice try with the lie that Hamas uses children as human shields. By your standard, 9/11 was acceptable, because people who participated in whatever Bin Laden was POed about might have been killed hiding amongst the civilian population. Your hatred of the Palestinians is pathological, and your refusal to see reality staggering. Go read Ben Gurion's bio, or interviews with those who served alongside him, like future PM Sharon. Their goal has been to slowly inflict genocide on the Palestinians while still claiming victimhood. That is how they dupe people like you into supporting their butchery of women and children in a foodless, waterless, medicineless refugee camp.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 08:21 PM

Hamas is honest about it

Hank007:

"Nice try with the lie that Hamas uses children as human shields."

Hamas is not keeping it a secret. They actually boast that they use children, women and elderly people as human shields. For example:

"For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry in which excel the women and all the people of this land: The older people excel, the jihadists excel and the children excel. Consequently, [the Palestinians] created a human shield of women, children, older people and jihadists against the Zionist bombing machine that is telling the Zionist enemy we want death just as much as you desire life."

If you prefer, you can watch the video on youtube.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 08:28 PM

great article! Thank you so much, Kamiya

I'm so, so grateful that someone has written with sense and compassion for the plight of the Palestinians. I've been so distraught with grief and rage, not only over the massacre that Israel's carrying out, but at just how f*cking sanguine everyone in the media seems to be about insane military attacks that should never have been dreamt of, let alone allowed. I guess the victims are just a bit too dark and muslim to be considered as fully paid-up members of the human race.

Israel's actions are unforgiveable. I just wish the world would take off its blinkers and see the truth. I've long been frustrated and bewildered over the impunity with which Israel's allowed to behave like fascists, and Kamiya has spelled out so clearly the reasons behind it and also the implications. I just wish this article would be published in the British press, who are currently letting the Israelis get away with murder. And that effing poodle and war criminal Tony Bliar is now -! the Middle East peace envoy!! Oy ye! And appears on the BBC spouting a heap of trite BS.

Ah, who is there to trust anymore? All the gods have fallen on their arses. Maybe organised world-wide anarchy is the answer.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 08:35 PM

Amy Tuteur,

Your M.D. obviously stands for Much Denseness.

Why do people list their qualifications after their names? Do they think it will lend credibility to weak arguments? Obviously betrays an insecurity. After all, I'm not armed and harmless, PhD, Though I am. But who gives a duck's f*ck?

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 08:40 PM

And now..

off to bed, it's 4.37 am in London. I couldn't sleep over the rage and pain I was feeling over the Israeli Gaza massacres, but thanks to Kamiya's article, and reading the responses from readers who can also see the madness - hurrah, there are decent people in the world! -I can attempt to sleep now.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 09:02 PM

proportional response

so, you guys would all be OK if israel merely lobbed a rocket randomly into gaza for every one which hamas sends out randomly into israel?

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 09:37 PM

Klytus

Your rhymes

are never

insightful

or clever.

Just stop.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 09:38 PM

Gaza

Jews have lived in Gaza/Israel "From Time Immemorial" as Joan Peters titled her amazinging researched book about the palestine/israel conflict. This book is a must read for all fair minded individuals, those of you who are consumed by your irrational hatred toward Jews need not bother reading this book, you will not appreciate hearing the cold hard facts.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 10:07 PM

My neighbors in Detroit

Their grannies and little cousins were in Lebanon last time the Israelis invaded. This is Jack's family. Jack has a store across Fort Street from the Detroit Post Office.

Mrs. Jack and their daughter are two of the most beautiful women in Michigan. They went to visit their family in Lebanon while the Israelis still were shooting, and while Hamas was going murderously crazy. Thank God, they got back okay.

This time around, if I asked the guys in another store up Trumbull, past Tiger Stadium, I bet they would tell me that they have Palestinian grannies and nieces in harm's way right now.

Old Tiger Stadium is half-demolished now. It looks as if the Israeli Air Force had been there. Christ! Allah! I hope they never actually come here.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 10:19 PM

In the end...

American public opinion remains *overwhelmingly* behind Israel:

Fifty-five percent (55%) of adults, however, believe the Palestinians are to blame for the current situation in Gaza, while 13% point the finger at the Israelis.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/americans_closely_divided_over_israel_s_gaza_attacks

Europe, and even Egypt and Saudia Arabia, are behind Israel, and against Hamas. Even here, a Salon chat board, and not exactly a bastion of Zionism, opinion is roughly equally divided, despite the attempts of some of the hysterical anti-Israel posters.

All of which means that Hamas is alone. As someone who used to go to peace demonstrations in Tel Aviv, and who used to argue, and believe, or at least hope, that the Palestinian people were ready for peace with Israel, all I can say now, after eight years of Hamas missile attacks on the people of southern Israel, including three years after Israel left Gaza, is: good riddance. Say hi to Arafat.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 10:24 PM

JonathanInTelAviv just couldn't hold back

And had to show everyone what a hate filled bigot he is.

"Kill them all". Typical Zionist bigotry.

Tell us how you really feel.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 10:28 PM

Scratch a Zionist

And you'll find a Jewish Supremacist.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 10:29 PM

Playing the moral consciousness card

In answer to the predictable “stop the violence now” - “state terrorism” - “genocide” rant that pops up like so many mushrooms after Israeli response to Hamas provocation I suggest this. Hamas, knowing it cannot trump Israel’s military, instead attempts to take the trick by playing the moral consciousness card. This is the ace of spades for the terrorists who, unlike Israel and the western democracies, have no inhibitions against killing civilians among whom their targets are hiding. Indeed, Israeli civilians are Hamas’ targets.

It is no accident that Hamas shelters its bombardiers among civilians. It knows too well the image-management opportunities of displaying dead and injured innocents caught in the return fire. To Hamas, these guiltless victims are sacrificial pawns to be glorified as “martyrs”. A cheap price to pay to incite the “Arab street” and the outrage of those, who from their unthreatened moral perches, righteously demand that Israel turn its other cheek.

What about the “Israeli street”, the ordinary residents of southern Israel who have lived in constant awareness that a rocket or mortar, at any time, could drop upon their heads and the heads of their children?

That the quixotic are duped into moral outrage perhaps is no surprise. But, their “balanced” calls for an urgent end to Israel’s military operations and an end to the rockets and mortars, demonstrate that even people of apparent good will can be manipulated by Hamas spin. They forget, however, that Hamas is not a trustworthy political entity with whom one can reason, negotiate and compromise. It has irrefutably demonstrated and incessantly boasted itself to be an uncompromising, fanatic band of zealots dedicated unyieldingly to the destruction of Israel in the name of its god.

The reality of the past 80 years (to say nothing of the past 2,000) has taught Israel that it cannot rely on balanced, good faith calls for restraint. Instead, it must judge when it has become an existential necessity to exercise its rightful duty to strike against the targeting of its citizens - even if, regrettably Hamas rockets and mortars come from behind the human shield of Palestinian civilians.

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