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Tuesday, January 6, 2009 12:00 AM

The Israel rules

America's support of the Gaza attack proves once again that our mythical image of Israel has blinded us to its faults -- a myopia with devastating consequences for both countries.

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Tuesday, January 6, 2009 11:20 AM

Something dude

I don't wish to seem crude

But you sound so over the moon

I'd be a fool not to...

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 11:21 AM

America has not supported Israel

America has not supported Israel.

if mexico lobbed one missile into escondido or oceanside from tijuana much less 6500 missiles, what would the United States do? they would invade tijuana and destroy the missile launchers after one missile.

why Israel has waited so long to take out the hamas terrorists is mind boggling. what took them so long?.....they listened to America.

Netanyahu has vowed never to listen to America again. Thank God. Maybe sanity will return to the Israeli leadership again next month.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 11:23 AM

Iconoclast

Xanthro, I think you may be confused

The person you are thinking of who said the things you are ascribing to SS (hmmm....) was not SS but Steele The First.

-- Renegade Iconoclast

Some of them maybe, Jew Haters tend to blend to me, but something stinks has certainly in other threads engaged in the same type of rhetoric.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 11:23 AM

McFarland, with your Scottish surname, you must know all this but the telecommunications of

the 1940s weren't terribly advanced, I gather. It's a good thing that, thanks to the Internet, the propagandists of whichever side don't have the ability to bully everyone into silence. UN Relief & Works Agency, Oxfam, the international media (kept out of Gaza!) and, of course, myself living on the western edge of Europe are all anti-semitic. If this is the best you can do, you and your cohort are pathetic. Avital Leibovitch is on television just now and not sounding as gung-ho but still trying to claim that Hamas militants were occupying the UN school where 40 Palestinian children were killed by the Israeli army. The twisted, torn bodies of the little children I've seen today (and some of the images are too gory to be shown at this time of the evening when other children, far from Gaza, could be watching) are among the trophies of the Israeli army and its supporters in America, of whom none are more vocal than Bush and Cheney. They dragged the US into one calamitous war and Colin Powell was their messnger at the UN. If Americans want more death and disaster, you're going the right way about it but it might not be confined to the Middle East, you half-wits.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 11:24 AM

Jews are fantastic! (Most of them anyway...)

I don't understand the connection being made between being critical of this latest tactic by Israelis and being an anti-Semite. The morality of this bellicose action taken by the Israelis should be questioned as we should all value human life, whether it's a Jewish or Arab (Muslim) life; the acts of terrorism by Hamas extremists should also be condemned.

Everyone should be advocating for peace--but can this be accomplished with Israeli bombs raining on innocent Palestinians or with Hamas rockets (don't care how few) being lobbed at Israeli citizens? I think we all know the answer to that is a big fat no.

We should be discussing practical matters of how to bring peace about in the region instead of flinging baseless charges of anti-Semitism to and fro or presenting useless analogies designed to excuse the atrocities being committed now by the Israeli government.

Defenders of this action: Do you really think it's OK for an infant to be killed because some member of Hamas may live next door to him or her? Even if you do think Hamas endangers innocent Palestinian lives by not living in a cave, do you honestly think Israelis should bear no culpability for that death? For the hundreds being killed that have not, in fact, lobbed a rocket toward anyone?

I think it's fair for the Israelis to respond to the despicable actions of Hamas, but is the solution blowing up schools and hospitals? Here's a question: Is there another action the Israelis could've taken to capture (or kill) Hamas extremists? Could ground troops have been deployed rather than bombs? Yes, it may have resulted in more Israeli Army deaths, but could it have resulted in fewer deaths of innocents overall? I have no idea--just asking. I'm trying to determine if there is an alternative to the death of innocents happening right now.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 11:25 AM

@Rocky

Have you really been living under a rock for the past 50 fuzzy years or so?

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 11:26 AM

Renegade Iconoclast , get bent

it is the very definition of intellectual dishonesty to ignore your opponents' points and instead attack them. It's known as ad-hominem attack, and I'd think you'd know that, because you seem to be a professional.

No it isn't, at least not when the "points" are the same old bogus talking point drivel of every other Israel-First Keyboard Warrior, like you and the other Zionists that pollute these threads with your intellectual dishonesty.

I am beyond playing The Game, and find much more pleasure in mocking the Internet Troll Army's transparent strategy of "don't debate the issues, debate the framing of the issues" instead. For that is all that you and your fellow Keyboard Warriors are doing. None of you talk about the actual articles, you just use the same mealy-mouthed strategy of spouting half-truths in the hope that someone will take up pages debating semantics with you, all along hoping you can call them "Jew Haters" at some point. Just like yesterday, I come back and the thread has devolved into "Antisemite Investigator", calling so and so of racism and then probing the motive.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 11:26 AM

Laurel962

it's as if you scratch the surface of a Palestinian supporter, and have to wonder if these individuals really love and support Gaza or Palestine so much, or if they are simply thrilled to find a pseudo-legitimate way to express the race/religious hatred they have already been incubating.

And then you have the nerve to bemoan the fact that we can't have any "dialogue" about Israel.

This letters section is a perfect microcosm illustrating why this issue will never be resolved.

Hamas and Israel can both burn in hell, for all I care. The problem is they'll probably take the rest of us with them.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 11:28 AM

The Clown Chris Sinnard and His "Game"

McFarland wants to play The Game

What do you think a "proper" response would be from Israel to the rocket attacks? What would you do in their situation? How do you negotiate with an entity aimed wholly at destroying you that hides its operatives, missiles and other weapons in civilian areas? Please answer. I look forward to your response.

Why am I not surprised? I will not answer, because that is exactly what you want, to go back and forth arguing about how to frame the topic instead of actually discussing it. I've studied Zionism long enough to know your little Zionist talking point tricks. I find it amusing that you paste these mealy-mouthed talking points and still have the gall to call someone else intellectually dishonest". You Zionists are a funny, as well as entirely predictable, lot.

-- Chris Sinnard

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My dear Chris. You are a fraud. The situation in Israel and Gaza IS the issue. Yet, you cannot even debate it. Even worse, inexplicably, you try to minimize the entire subject matter as an irrelevant "game". You further attempt to discredit - albeit ineffectively - by claiming I must have cut and pasted. Yet sir, I have not posted here before and write all my own posts.

So I guess, in your mind, overarching anti-Jewish slurs are relevant and any substantive discussion of the actual situation in Israel and Gaza is a "game". You, sir, are intellectually dishonest.

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