"Much of the world has lost sympathy for Israel." this is a historical pattern. for a half-century or so after a massacre the lust for innocent jewish blood is sated. then it reerupts. as for "most of the Arab world don't want a "two state solution," they want Israel and as many Jews as possible obliterated." i don't think so. they want the state obliterated but they'd much rather go back to their historical pattern of jizya (tax) and humiliation. except they'd probably call it reparations. and as for "wrongs that are going on there are disproportionately affecting civilians" jews used to ONLY be civilians now they are both.

Well...can't really say you're wrong. But what do you mean "now they are both?"

Please read.

http://letters.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2008/04/29/j_street/permalink/e251ab87ae679f291d164cbd765062a0.html

i meant now jews are both civilians and soldiers. for two thousand years before they were only civilians(you know how that turned out). for a thousand years before THAT they were just soldiers and you know how That turned out (rome and exile). today they are trying to combine both modes in spite of the (usual) hostility of the entire world. bizarre, that a people so hated should still live. so much so that you have to consider, we are, ACTUALLY, chosen.

So let's say I agree with you--most of the Arab world (or its leaders, anyway) don't want a "two state solution," they want Israel and as many Jews as possible obliterated.

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Haaretz.com

March 29, 2007

Arab states unanimously approve Saudi peace initiative

By Avi Issacharoff, Haaretz Correspondent, and Agencies

Arab leaders gathering for a two-day summit in Saudi Arabia unanimously approved Wednesday the Saudi peace initiative originally launched in 2002.

Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas voted in favor of the initiative, although Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas abstained in the vote.

The plan offers Israel recognition and permanent peace with all Arab countries in return for Israeli withdrawal from lands captured in the 1967 Six Day War. It also calls for setting up a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital and a just solution to the issue of Palestinian refugees. ...

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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/843076.html

More info:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1844214.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/publish/article_828.shtml

It's not that simple. It's partially that, but antisemitism and genocide are just tools. Arab states need Jewhating, they need the big bad boogeyman, just like the people here need the massive Jewspiracy. Why? Because it distracts the populace from what's actually wrong. Egypt has literally a new pharoh, a genetic monarchy. They've had exactly 3 rulers since 1952, one of whom they killed. Saudi Arabia is literally the property of the 5000 princes of the al Aziz clan. Syria again has an unelected President son of a military tyrant who exterminated his own populace. Iraq has had about a dozen military coups since the end of WW2. Iran had one king replaced by an insane theocracy. Lebanon used to be the Jewel of the mideast until 35 years ago when it stopped being a recognizable political entity at all. Yemen, Sudan, Algeria, Chad, Libya.....

They NEED to hate the Jews; it keeps the pressure off. It keeps the rabble from rising up and killing them all. In the same way that NEITHER Saudi Arabia nor Iran can afford to ever permit a successul secular Iraq, the Arab states can never afford to ignore to blame a Parliamentary democracy for every dead goat that ever was.

Do you why deluded Gazans elected Hamas? To protest the PA utter corruption. How bad is it? Arafat cronies and family members own the moneymaking monopolies among the Palestinians: cement, construction, fuel, cell phones, cigarettes, on and on. Hezbollah owns its own telephone network in Lebanon. Hamas controls all smuggling in and out of Gaza. Arafat died after stealing almost 8 billion dollars. This is the power they will never give up. They need to scream about the evil Jews, the need their people to blame every miserable thing that ever happened to them on the Jews.

"This is the power they will never give up. They need to scream about the evil Jews, the need their people to blame every miserable thing that ever happened to them on the Jews."

Right. We should make that easier for the rest of the world to realize.

I don't really disagree with you on the essentials. I am just disgusted by the way it plays out in American politics.

To change the world for the better. Hopefully it will inspire a "C" street and an "M" street.

Way to frame the debate. How childish.

i agree we should rethink the debate over israel beyond the 'orthodoxy' imposed by the aipac set; however, just as the enlightened among us would acknowledge the centuries-old islamic grievances against the west (the crusades, colonialism and u.s. cloak 'n dagger foreign policy), critics of israel should recognize the scope and magnitude of 2000 years of anti-jewish antagonism (exile from palestine, spanish inquisition, eastern european pogroms, etc.) that contours israel's contemporary response to hostility from her arab neighbors.

any critique of israel should never neglect to specify the oppressive state of affairs endured by the citizens of syria (religious persecution), iran (persecution of homosexuals), egypt (persecution of homosexuals), lebanon (manipulation by minority) and saudi arabia (repression of women); otherwise, one risks the accusation of anti-jewish bias.

First there are no 'PROGRESSIVE AMERICAN JEWS' only LIBERALS/no sorry PROGRESSIVES/ no sorry SOCIALISTS/no sorry COMMUNISTS/ no sorry just ELITIST FOOLS who spout their continuing 'DREK'!!! BARNY'so-what-if-a-male-prostitute-ran-his-business-from-my-Reps-office-and-my-domicile'FRANK ise loves JEWS as long as they are circumcised cuz i am a good 'LIBERAL PLAYTHING. PLEASE THE TERM 'NEO-CONS' WAS JUST SMARTY PALAVER FOR THE OLD EXPRESSION 'ANTI-SEMITE' WHICH SHOULD BE MODERNIZED/UPDATED TO ANTI-JEW as anti-Semite is an expression from all creatures-human or not from what was known as 'the LEVANT'!!! WHY IS IT ONLY THE 'RIGHT-WING JEWS' THAT THIS PIECE OF SCHIESS-SPIEL WRITING ARE THE VILLAINS OF THIS PIECE??? The 'game' will not be changed by this writer, BARNY'lollipop-boy'FRANK, or any of these so-called PROGESSIVE AMERICAN DREIKHEADS!!!