Letters to the Editor
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elephant-twat
Elephantman you spout utter bollocks. Your military created the insurgency when, after it'd had it's bit of fun routing the badly equipped and inferior Iraqi Army it then disbanded it and told everyone go home, you're unemployed, your previous positions of power and prestige in Iraq are now forfeit. Where do you think all those Iraqi soldiers, officers and generals headed? Straight to the nearest arms cache to kill them some Americans.
And why all the moral outrage about IED's? It's not that when your air force is levelling entire neighbourhoods with five hundred pound bombs is it you fucking savage.
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Oil
Kamiya notes that the war drove up prices, and points out these authors think that the war was not for 'oil', as the government and oil companies wanted lower prices. At chance.
Actually, has Marx has pointed out, war always destroys the means of production, and so makes products it destroys more valuable. Most people who go to war know that.
The high price has benefitted the oil companies, which form the backbone of Bush's economic support.
"Control" also relates to oil, and miltarily controlling the heart of the oil fields in the middle east is not unrelated.
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IS this even an issue?
I thought the US is a has been, a goner, replaced by a bankrupt crypto fascist police state.
So public opinion no longer matters.
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Let's make only the pro-war people pay the bill!
I voted against Bush twice.
I voted for congressmen who opposed the war.
I marched in anti-war protests.
So why do I have to pay for the war?
Not fair.
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Required Reading
Every member of Congress, and anyone campaigning for a seat in Congress, should be required to read this book. (Assuming they are able to read --- and if they're not able, they should have someone read it to them, explaining the big words where necessary.)
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I don't know about the "next time" bit in regards to future wars...
But I guess this makes me feel better about voting for a candidate that didn't like the war to begin with...which means he'll be the one most likely to get us OUT of it, before we run up our international credit into oblivion...
Ironic that so much of this war has been financed by...Middle Eastern countries...I guess the real question now is: who's the dumber? The Middle Eastern countries financing this war, or our stupid govt. playing along as if we had a never-ending bar tab to work with?
H-h-hee said stupid...uuhhh-huh-huh-huh-huh...
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the profit motive
I wonder how much of that 3 trillion dollars went to Haliburton? I wonder how much of that went to Dick Cheney? I think if Americans knew exactly how much Dick Cheney has personally profited from 9/11 and the war in Iraq the scales might finally fall from their eyes and they would truly see the horror of Bush and his cronies and what they've done to western democracy. We should also all, wherever we live, be alert to the cyclical attempt to drum up fear of a pandemic. Donald Rumsfeld made a huge profit from shares he had in the company that made Tamiflu. The company was apparently making a loss before the bird flu scare began in the media. I don't know what their plan is, but the people behind Bush and Cheney are very rich and very patient people and they have no ethics and no scruples, as the wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan and the so-called war on terror prove. The only good thing about Cheney's windfall is that he will eventually die and he can't take it with him.
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Xrandadu Hutman
Have you been to prison?
Then why do you pay for it?
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@BillionBees
Billion Bees: "Have you been to prison? Then why do you pay for it"
Your point being...?
Prison is part of a lawful society. Wars based on lies are not.
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bollocks?
I guess I don't have to worry about you voting against the Republican in November.
But if you'd like to organize (organise?) a contingent of "Britons for Obama," and campaign on the platform that the U.S. Air Force are "savages" whose 500-lb. bombs are the moral equivalent of IEDs, have at it. But since Obama won't have any of it (I can only hope and pray that Obama will make "Air Force savagery" a plank in his campaign platform), you'll probably need to crank up a "British Greens for Cynthia McKinney" coalition.
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What about attacks that haven't been prevented?
Once again a White House spokesman takes credit for preventing terrorist attacks without accounting for the one they didn't prevent: the anthrax attacks, which President Bush called "a second wave of terrorist attacks upon our country."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/11/20011103.html
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Elephantman's cheap, comfortable patriotism
Deranged neocon "patriots" like our Elephantman love war so long as others are doing the fighting, and so long as they don't have their taxes raised to pay for it.
A war tax? Talk about a cold shower for their obscene war boners.
Admit it Elephantman. Would you happily pay an extra $5000 a year to pay for your beloved Iraq occupation? For all that machismo-by-proxy it should be a small price to pay.
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Elephantman Redux-When In Doubt Cry: "Our Brave Young Warriors!"
Maybe it's just me, but I notice that when Republicans want to cover a multitude of sins, they resort to puppeteering; hence, Elephantman's observation:
"You're right. It's not much of a "war" in Iraq anymore. Which isn't to say that our troops there are anything less than the incredibly brave, heroic figures we know them to be. But the "war" part -- our army fighting the Iraqi army -- was, as the administration privately predicted, a "cakewalk" that was over in an eyeblink. One of the most one-sided "wars" in history. All credit to our guys who planned it and fought it."
Up goes the sock puppet called "Look how well it went for us in the first 144 hours," and this puppet is supposed to distract us from the unmitigated fucking disaster that unfolded at hour 145, or whenever it was. Five years later, we still have the virtuous Elephantman chiding us for not being grateful for the "cakewalk," and of course, we have his tip-o-the-hat to the "incredibly brave, heroic figures that we know them to be." Strangely, Elephantman (and do remember elephants never forget) forgets that democracy and stability were to be brought to the Iraqi people. Democracy they got, stability not so much. As a military brat, I am well acquainted with warriors, but real warriors know themselves to be because they've experienced war. So, Elephantman, are you a veteran who actually has fought in Iraq, or in any war? Or you just another Republican high on flag lapel pins and bumper stickers? And by all means the credit goes to the men and women who planned the first 144 hours and fought to victory. And the unmitigated fucking disaster that followed and continues can be credited to the Republican Party, the spineless Democrats who enabled them, and the pathetic pansy who occupies the Oval Office.