Letters to the Editor
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well solon, you could actually practice what you preach.....
Article after article about this "squabble".
Hillary Clinton interjected race into her talking point and while she may have been technically correct, she stepped on a mini-mine. That's her problem. Don't make it everyone else's.
It's a minor point either way. Really, truly, most of us don't care.
Enough already. The economy is in meltdown for heaven's sake. Wake up out of the gossip already.
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maureen: hit a hot point I see good now you are posting with some passion..
BTW I am a Black Seminole to adress your questions;
1. I have purchased quite a lot of fire water
2. I have purchased quite a lot of african art
3. I have mentored quite a lot of African students from the continent
I do understand your angst and frustration it is in part partly your own making becuase you make so many obvious errors in your posts about America and of course Black Americans like me.
I want to help you understand but it does require having an open mind...
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rosevnkavlier: I like your passion now channel it correctly..
I simply sought out an apology and I have tried to correct your posting missteps. You are venting with such rage my pc is smoking...lol,lol,lol
I post in macro terms , of course I do not know anyone of this site or every black or white person, this is a chat forum where ideas, constructs, issues are discussed.
Please stop making it so personal. I only sought out an apology becuase like maureen you are making all of this persoanl..
This is a chat forum no more no less..
Now get a hold of yourself..
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maureen: What is your direct question of me??? I never shy away from discourse...
I am user friendly....
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Hey, Thrasher I'm not Helene Hanff and this is not 84 Charing Cross Road
I'm referring to the correspondence that went on between Helene Hanff of New York and Marks & Co., sellers of rare and secondhand books at 84 Charing Cross Road, London. That correspondence spanned a period of 20 years, beginning in October l949 and ending l97l. The letters were kept and made into a book. I haven't got the energy for twenty years of arguing with you because you are irrepressible and incorrigible. You may be an African-American but you seem to be an American first and foremost as you don't think that non-Americans could possibly know anything about your country.
You seem more mellow now and that's good as the medics warn us that "hitting the roof" (getting angry) too often is bad for our blood pressure. You are so anxious to collect apologies from "privileged white women" that I'm thinking you want to paste them into your stamp-collection album. I must go now but I may dip into one of these chat rooms again - although some of the so-called "chat" is far from polite and more closely resembles yelling.
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maureen: Your envy of America is really deep seeded.. Please you sound like a Canadian
I get upset with those who are not American trying to educate me about America, you not only have made that usual foreigner mistake, you then really became lost when you dared to thnk you knew more about Black Americans with your stupid quote about Rosa Parks..
Now again I am user friendly but I have limits, either step up, step back or get stepped on...
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Thrasher, it's YOU don't understand!
I'm an "unprivileged white woman because I envy all Americans, according to you. I've mentioned my verbal jousts with you to my husband, who is a rugby fan. This is a game you don't play in America because the Australians, New Zealanders and South Africans would beat you. I'm a white woman of independent mind but I'll now rely on the slogans of my husband's favourite rugby team :"Irish by birth, Munster by the grace of God and to the brave of heart nothing is impossible". I don't mind sounding like a Canadian as they don't invade other countries or try to boss all other nationalities the way Americans do. Now that I'm off to bed, I have another guilty secret to confess, hoping that it will not upset you too much. My skin is white, yes, but I also have blue eyes. You'll have to take a chill pill now and listen to your favourite Marvin Gaye music. All the best and sweet dreams when it's time for you to put your head on the pillow. Your remark on Canadians was quite perceptive, as a matter of fact, as my best friend while I was in West Africa was a Canadian from Vancouver who had two young African girls living with her and she was paying for their High School education. Unfortunately, she also had white skin but it was a house of harmony and affection, At the time I was there I saw that Canadian woman doing more for two African girls than I saw the Americans who were also there
doing for other girls who needed a helping hand. So thank you, Thrasher, for telling me that I sound like a Canadian, although I assure you my accent is completely different.
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maureen:' You doth protest to hard' your post declaring I hate white woman now is involving your hubby
is he a woman also..lol,lol,lol( I had to go there you left door open)
Please understand my less than stellar endorsement of you has nothing to do with your hue or gender but the content of your posts..
I bet if your husband spoke with me he wold confirm you have thin skin and love melodrama...something about woman regardless of orgin rings true everywhere..
I live in a border state with Canada they express same low self esteem rants about USA as you have posted..
Sweetdreams if I am in them..( don't tell your husband however)...lol,lol,lol
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Wow, thrasher
Your ability to make general unspecific statements not backed by examples or evidence may be greater than that of the guy who tried to prove to me that Hitler was a communist. How about an example of what exactly Maureen has gotten wrong about Americans. All you said was: "You make the typical mistakes all foreigners make", but I've live in the US for six years, so I know Americans pretty well. And the traits Maureen described apply pretty well. So which part has she gotten wrong? That's my first serious question to you, I hope you can answer it.
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Sexism Has Been Left Unchecked
When I read articles about sexism and racism in America, I notice that the authors tend to compare white women to black men to make their points. Therein lies the problem. As a woman who is not white, and a black person who is not male, I believe sexism is more socially acceptable in American culture, and in other cultures, than racism.
There is a social hierarchy that I have experienced first hand. Men, no matter what position they find themselves in, tend to assert their supremacy over women. Many men of color believe that racism is an attack on their manhood, but that part of being a man also includes upholding the sexist status quo. So many men are against racism but have no problems with sexism. Women of color are praised when they are supportive of the men who are facing the depressing realities of racism, yet these women are left to cope with sexism without much support from men.
Women experience sexism from white, black, asian, latino, and arab men. The vast majority of women across the world are raised in sexist societies.
We have all been socialized in a society that still believes that male supremacy is "natural". Sexism is regularly preached in churches and temples where old religious texts, written ages ago by long deceased men, are used to justify keeping women in their "natural places". "Women," the
Christian preacher says "were created to be the helpmate of men. Women are to submit to their husbands." How many of you heard that growing up? At one time the Bible was also used to justify black submission to white slave masters. Do you think that would be a popular message today?
Many women have to deal with sexism from their own spouses, their families, and their communities. Even if racism were to disappear today, there is still a layer or "ism" that all women would have to deal with. Being male in a male dominated society can be a powerful thing. Men of color don't really see this sometimes.