Wrong as usual. Crank makes you stupid.

@OneWorlder

I have a suggestion for anyone espousing the pseudo-scientific view that the world is overpopulated and that we need "global population control" (to quote one such authoritarian Big Brain): go ahead and do the world a favor. Lead by example, cowards.

ondelette

Way ahead of you, little one. Made that commitment 30 years ago. That's thirty years of careful and successful birth control.

Missing the point entirely and after raising the hideous prospect that he could have ever reproduced to begin with, ondellette sees fit to informs us that he tied a knot in it several decades ago for which small mercy I suppose we all should give hearty thanks.

But what OneWordler was actually suggesting is if you really want to reduce the world's population was why don't you lead by example and top yourself?

He made this sound suggestion several hours ago. You are still here ondelette. Why?

@adnoto

We can either try to be proactive and plan peaceful actions now or we can wait for an organic uprising (all bloody hell breaking lose).

What are you planning? I have to say, I like the above statement a lot.

-- ondelette

.....REVOLUTION NOW!!! ondelette get yer gun!

..dopey yanks, y'all been rippped of agin, ya hear? Now pass the drones. Sure sir, would you like lies with that, sir? (followed by polite, cringing smile)

We can either try to be proactive and plan peaceful actions now or we can wait for an organic uprising (all bloody hell breaking lose).

What are you planning? I have to say, I like the above statement a lot.

And it is the inherent distrust that most people have in democratic movements that makes this a self-fulfilling prophecy. I feel the opposite as you do. I've done a lot of research and found that democratic, co-op style decision-making and organizations run that way work quite a bit better and make far better decisions (empirically) than typical hierarchical groups, and so I actually am "planning ahead" and taking action vs. waiting for a white knight on horseback. -- What the???

We are missing each other here and I know I have not been very clear. I am NOT waiting for a white knight. And I was not saying that I do not trust people and/or democratic movements. I trust people fine. In fact I know "people." We all do, we have all read history.

What I was saying is that there is real potential that if we wait, once again, for an organic uprising, that that organic uprising will be in no way shape or form anything positive (at least not in why it happens and it's initial actions). You know, like rioting and blood in the streets. That is the next organic uprising I see if we opt out and chase fantasies of a new internet created direct democracy.

What percentage of the population even has access to the internet? Some of the things you suggest are, to my mind, insufficient and fanciful. I see the internet as being a great place to organize the initial group(s) that will engage in direct action. That action will spur others to at least take notice even if they are not inclined to join. We are not going to replace the US Federal government with The Facebook Democracy. That is as big of a fantasy as "more and better democrats." If we want things to change we are going to have to force those who currently control things to change them to our satisfaction. We can either try to be proactive and plan peaceful actions now or we can wait for an organic uprising (all bloody hell breaking lose).

I feel like lots of progressive bloggers and columnnists recently have been referencing the American peoples' lack of outrage. But the fact is, I feel plenty of outrage. I'm furious. Really, though, what can we do? If you have an idea of how we should leverage that outrage into something happening, Mr. Greenwald, I genuinely wish you'd let me know...I mean, I don't make much money, which basically means I have no political clout whatsoever. I could try to organize people to demonstrate in Washington from today til Kingdom Come and it wouldn't make a difference. Because we all know that the corporate powers do run Washington, and that what's done there has little to nothing to do with what's good for the rest of us. But that means that no one without a ton of money can try to combat that influence. The dems know that at the end of the day when election time rolls around we'll have to vote for them, because we're scared otherwise we'll end up with Sarah Palin. Obama's not worried about his base at all-he's worried about whether or not the Republicans will vote for him. And about the lobbies. So really, genuinely-is there anything we can actually do?? Short of moving to Canada, which I am thinking about, it's not clear to me that there is.

Feeling outrage as an American reminds me of what John Nash, the famous mathematician, said about his schizophrenic delusions. He never really stopped seeing them as real, but he realized it wasn't useful to think about them.

I have a suggestion for anyone espousing the pseudo-scientific view that the world is overpopulated and that we need "global population control" (to quote one such authoritarian Big Brain): go ahead and do the world a favor. Lead by example, cowards.

Way ahead of you, little one. Made that commitment 30 years ago. That's thirty years of careful and successful birth control. But don't let me get in the way of your snotty little libertarian selfish existence. You just keep right on overpopulating the place, fishing out the oceans, burning up the atmosphere, stocking up on guns, whining about your taxes, homeschooling a generation of little brain dead OneWorlders, and spouting your incredibly shallow philosophies and conspiracy theories. My guess is you couldn't make a thirty year commitment to anything whatsoever. You ain't all that. Coward.