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Sunday, July 12, 2009 12:00 AM

The Holder trial balloon: Abu Ghraib redux

Arguably, prosecuting low-level torturers while shielding powerful policy makers would be worse than doing nothing.

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Monday, July 13, 2009 06:39 AM

Correction: Four Investigations

also, too, the wiretapping also.

This was amusing:

Professor Kumar said a president’s signature accomplishments often come in his first year.

Nonsense. That would mean that Dubya's big day was YKW.

Monday, July 13, 2009 06:45 AM

You See, Heru ...

... now that a black man has descended to the same depths of depravity* as white men have been doing for centuries, all is well. It's quite simple really.

Now that black men, as typified by Obama, are demonstrably as corrupt, venal, deceitful, and murderous, as white men (as typified by Bush-2, Clinton, Bush, etc) you can no longer tell them apart.

This is, to a certain brand of self-styled progressive, progress.

Woop-de-doo!

(* known in politics as "The White House")

Monday, July 13, 2009 07:38 AM

that reminds me...

I'm still waiting for Titonwan's promised Shepher Fairey style Obama poster hailing him as "the first African American Illuminatus" (with apologies to Colin Powell, natch).

Monday, July 13, 2009 08:30 AM

Enough whining already, Glenn

Don't you people ever get tired of trashing everyone who does not subscribe to your warped view of life?? You attack Sarah Palin because she is a REAL person who achieved success strictly on HER merits; no Clinton coat-tails or Chicago mob machine politics. Waterboarding is NOT torture--get over it and take your phony moral outrage and shove it. Outside of the 15 people you hang out with, no one cares about your sermonizing America-bashing drivel. People are catching on that is why the liberal media is leaking red ink like a geyser. GO AWAY.

Monday, July 13, 2009 11:44 AM

Prosecuting low level agents...

...will have a good effect. Even if only "rogue interogators" are gone after, in future situations where a low level underling is asked to do something illegal they won't just oblige blindly but instead may make the correct assumption that their superiors would not hesitate to throw them under a bus to save themselves when necessary. This will give them the moral courage to refuse to follow obviously unethical and criminal orders. Well we can hope.

Monday, July 13, 2009 02:35 PM

precedent

The Obama administration clearly is an extension and expansion of the Bush years. It may be Bush light, but he, Obama, is still implementing Bush's third term. If the war criminals of the Bush administration are prosecuted, then the war criminals of the Obama administration could also be prosecuted in turn. As you say, the ruling elite are becoming above the law and immune to punishment, and Holder will be sure not to upset any apple carts......or set any inconvenient precedents.

Monday, July 13, 2009 03:33 PM

blackbelt 54

Liberal media? Where? Where is it? Show me one mainstream media organization whether it's print or television that is 'liberal'. This liberal media is a myth: it doesn't exist. The reason the mainstream media is leaking 'red' ink (very witty) is that no one believes a word they say. Who can be bothered reading lies? Who can be bothered watching some bimbo on TV caked in make up and shown through a filter lens so that their complexions look like those of a department store dummy, lying through her (or his) capped teeth. They lie in the service of the right, they break the law in the service of the right, they promote the free market, law of the jungle ideas of the right, they exist only to protect the right from the consequences of its actions - and to distract the masses from the ways in which they are shafted on a daily basis by the right.

The most obvious example of what I'm talking about is Margaret Warner claiming on McNeil Lehrer (a so-called 'liberal' outfit) that Hamas had staged a coup in Gaza when everyone and their dog knows it was Fatah that staged a coup (armed and funded by America) against Hamas. I don't have any interest in defending Hamas or its methods but I do have an interest in not being lied to. Hamas won the election, Fatah lost and when Fatah tried to stage a coup, Hamas kicked their backsides and threw them out of Gaza in seven days. That's the truth, however unpleasant it may be for those pinko, bleeding heart liberals like David Gregory and that's what I want to be told, not some stupid bloody lie. I realize it would be the favoured script that Hamas lost the election because then there might seem some sense in America's refusal to talk to them or negotiate with them and their craven cowardice in negotiating with the losers of the election in the person of Abbas. The problem is that America doesn't have any mainstream media outlet that tells the plain truth about anything, and the public is completely turned off by their dishonesty and corruption. Glenn Greenwald, while I don't always agree with him on everything, is an honest broker. He tries to convey the facts as accurately as he can, with as little bias as he can and as far as I can see is not in the business of spinning the truth for some financial or political backer. For this he gets respect. As he should. Personally, I can inform myself, and I usually know more about a subject than any stooge-of-the-right journalist would bother to find out but they can still lie to and betray others, and they do.

Monday, July 13, 2009 04:49 PM

Our Constitutional Scholar, our President...

Wow, our Constitutional Scholar is going to go down in big smokey swirls if he can't stand up and be the man we thought he was...hello, Obama -- Constitution!

What a way to ruin the first chance a black man has had to guide his country forward. You do that by ignoring the most blatant war crimes in history and still try to hold your head high?

Come on!

That's not EVEN going to wash.

It may mean one term only for a promising black man who is looking to be afraid of all the white "massas".

If the President is afraid of Dick Cheney, he might as well pack it in.

What happened here? Are there threats that are so serious he can't function to Uphold the Constitution? Come on!

AS IF torture is OK if they just followed the suggestions of someone/anyone? Get outa here.

ALLLLLL the torture is illegal, it says so everywhere thank you very much.

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