but I'd venture the theorems I was referring to were already proven and in the literature. You didn't know them.

No you see I had been given to understand that a theorem was already a proven thing before it became a theorem. Ondellete again:

A theorem is something that's been proven true. Which means it was always true

But then:

but we now know it was always true, because we've discovered the proof

you see contrary to what he had said before, that last would give me the idea that the proof now follows after the theorem has been composed.

But what the fuck would I know? I only work with words and can only understand them if they make sense. If they don't, I'm lost.

Simple. He's telling the truth. People like Ondelette and Jim Montague are trying to muddy the waters and obscure it. Telling the truth is so simple. It's all there in front of you and you don't need to lie, which is hard work. So that's why LL 'gets away with it'. The truth is usually scary and some people, as we know, just can't handle the truth. They would rather tell a million lies than face it. The Obama administration, for example, is afraid to prosecute criminals like Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld for torture or indeed for anything. They know where any investigation of the neo cons and their activities will lead and they don't want to be responsible for exposing the fantastic lie that is YKW. Ripples in a pond- who knows where they'll spread to? So they would rather throw some CIA underling in the slammer, but they're kidding themselves.If they take the lid off it at all and start investigating anything it will 'pancake' all around them and the dirt will fly. And it's going to stick to some very interesting people. Play with those figures all you like Jim M. You'll never be able to make them add up to 96 seconds. Newton gives you the finger and his law of gravity gives you the truth whether you like it or not.

Well thank you very much for your warm support:

Telling the truth is so simple. It's all there in front of you and you don't need to lie, which is hard work. So that's why LL 'gets away with it'.

So to just briefly recap. LondonLad is an extremely simple individual totally incapable of putting in the hard work necessary to lie.

That's indeed about the sum of it but perhaps you don't need to go so heavy on the simple next time round, if you don't mind.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Richard Holbrooke, the special US envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, have told Karzai they objected to the recent reinstatement of Dostam as military chief of staff, the Times said, citing a senior State Department official.

"We believe that anyone suspected of war crimes should be thoroughly investigated," the official added, hinting the Obama administration is open to an inquiry.

And just what do you think Karazai will throw right back in our face?

Yes, I am a poor English language speller. I grew up within the confines of a very phonetic language where only a very few exceptions to well defined spelling rules exist.

However, one of the areas where I am being called at attention is rather ironic. I am in error when I refer to Dynamic Systems. Why? Because it is not possible for omelette to be wrong. Well, here is my view:

A simple search in Wyley's brings this response: Knowledge for Generations: Publications on Chaos, Fractals and Dynamic Systems.

A Google search on Dynamic systems and Chaos: About 1 million hits.

A Google search on Dynamical systems and Chaos: 1.1 Million hits.

I have not analyzed, with any level of detail, the entries for Dynamic systems and Chaos, but unless they all say "JD learn to spell" it shows once more your certainty about your superior knowledge. A very simple check would have confirmed that both terms are acceptable. Since you are familiar with the more formal term Dynamical, any other term shows ignorance, either of the spelling or the science.

I have not said that there are no other uses for Fractals. I have said that for a group of people like the one I was referring to that had (and still have) a keen interest in Modern history and Political science we did not find any practical application for our purposes, so we have some fun and move on. The subject was not mandatory.

I think if I knew how to communicate with the inhabitants of Papua, they will tell me that the more people that are involved on anything with differing agendas, backgrounds, and levels of understanding the more complex the interactions became. That deep insight, they tell me, has been passed from ancestor to ancestor and they are waiting for a paper to be published under the title of "A Papuan Manifold" in a tribal reviewed journal.

I wasn't implying that you're a simpleton. But when I see the contortions some of these people put themselves through because they don't want to face the truth I have to agree with Sweet Will S. 'Methinks they doth protest too much.' I often wonder about the snake pit that squirms in Bill O'Reilly's mind. Like that line out of that poem about Kruschev when he banged his shoe on that desktop:

'I know I washed one foot today, but which one was it?'

The Russian who wrote the poem went to jail, of course. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king and there are a lot of historically blind people running around pretending they can see these days.

Those who pretend to see something other than the obvious, proven, truth (e.g.: videotaped murderer caught in the act protesting his innocence in court; Bush's and Cheney's 9/11 treason illuminated by Emer. Prof. Griffin's "The New Pearl Harbor"), must witness the "cutting" of the Bush and Cheney "Gordian Knecks" by hanging at the Navy Yard, to fully understand the millions who place their very lives at sacrifice under The Oath, for the Constitution and the People.

"Against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC," we stake our lives. The People must prove their obedience to The Creed by exacting Justice.

The plasma and pelf of those who committed treason are forfeit to the sovereign People. Let Darwinism promote a learning curve, or not, for those whose Misprision of Treason is still noised about.

American Exceptionalism is the Dream of the Ages: Life or death; Righteousness or abomination; Good or evil; G-d, or Anti-Christ - the "Mystery of the Ages" - identified with geopolitical, genealogical economic precision and accuracy by America's Whig Founders and Thomas Jefferson: Rome's Holocaust- and Hitler-financing U.S. "Fifth Column."

Death for Treason

Annuit Coeptis