whatever ondelette has to say Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld broke every law and rule there was on the treatment of prisoners of war specifically by using Guantanamo Bay as a torture camp which is forbidden under the Geneva Conventions for the simple reason that the Nazis built such camps during WWII. Now, most people would not want to do ANYTHING the Nazis did but the neo cons want to do EVERYTHING the Nazis did.

Military officials kept an 84 page log of their 'interrogation' of detainee 063, Al Qahtani in Guantanamo. Now I swear to God I haven't made anything up. This is actually what these fruitcakes did.

'December 3rd 2002

2040- Detainee hooded and taken to new primary interrogation booth that was decorated with photos of 9/11 victims (just like the photos of anthrax victims they showed Bruce Ivins' daughter as she lay in her hospital bed), the US flag, flags of coalition forces in the global war on terrorism and (you couldn't make this stuff up) red lighting.

2100 -Hood was removed and the US National anthem was played (interrogators confirm they have no shame and no sense of humour). Capt W (no, not Bush) was lead interrogator with the same female DoD linguist.

2105 Detainee's head and beard were shaved with electric clippers. Detainee started resistance when beard was shaved and MPs had to restrain. Shaving was halted until detainee was once more compliant.'

This idiotic garbage went on for forty eight days out of a 52 day period. Al Qahtani eventually refused to eat or drink and had a UV line forcibly inserted to stop him dehydrating.

But it gets better:

'December 11th 2002 - Detainee was reminded that no one loved, cared or remembered him. He was reminded that he was less than human and that animals had more love and freedom than he does. He was taken outside to see a family of banana rats. The banana rats were moving around freely, playing, eating and showing concern for one another. Detainee was compared to family of banana rats and reinforced that they had more love, freedom and concern than he had. Detainee began to cry during this comparison.'

This is what Ondelette is defending. The right to capture and incarcerate people, hold them for years without charge or trial and drive them mad. Holding people until the 'war' ends? Problem? The war according to Rumsfeld and John McCain might last for a hundred years - or it might never end at all. Not if people like them have anything to say about it. The war in Afghanistan has killed 15 British soldiers in the last two weeks. This level of losses is unsustainable politically and militarily for the British government. Eventually this smorgasbord of foreign soldiers in Afghanistan will leave and the damage they've done will not be fixed by them. It may not be fixed at all. The truth is America invaded Afghanistan for geo-political reasons that had nothing to do with 9/11 and America should just admit it and go from there. The pronouncements coming out of Afghanistan at the moment are like watching an episode of 'Fantasy Island'- you don't know whether to laugh or cry.

I'm really glad you took my advise by calling 'ondelette' - 'omelette' and if you did it by accident you are definitely on the right way!

the words of a famous American philosopher (female) :'Only dead fish go with the flow"

Ondelette's point, in oversimplified terms, is that if, legally speaking, the US had invaded Afghanistan, then the President can legally detain P.O.W.s until the war is over, and wouldn't need all these contortions regarding indefinite detainment

I think you have got that completely arse about. What ondelette ever actually means about anything at all only Sigmund bloody Freud could have possibly been able to decipher. But he's not around having grown bored and given up on human life and its silly wretched nature these many years passed now.

But you have hit on a frigging good point. Maybe that's why the c--ts never declared war on Afghanistan because had they done so they would have been obliged to apply Geneva which the certainly didn't want to. And the same goes for Iraq on which they also never formally declared war. Those c--ts knew which regs to avoid when perpetuating the interernational war crimes that are still unfolding up to today.

most of the time I understand what ondelette actually wants - but what does ID want?

And ID if you are at it could you explain what LL actually wants?

there is nothing worst than writers who give complicated answers to easy questions!

(besides easy answers for complicated questions)

@ Londonlad & @ Ondolette

Lad, I think Ondolette is referring to the conversation about NIST awhile back, and who he knows in that agency. I'm too lazy to look it up.

Yes it was about that. But I never asked him for names as he damned well knows. He said that on 9/11 in New York he saw a group of NIST engineers break down and cry.
This was an obvious and preposterous piece of fiction. So knowing it to be false I have pursued him to tell me where exactly in New York was he when he saw this uncommon apparition.

He of course has not supplied an answer because no such thing ever occurred.

But rather I would have thought for his own sake keep his mouth shut and hope this piece of idiocy of his might like Israel one day disappear into the pages of time the pratt is back with another piece of outrageous fiction.

Suffice it to say that I of course never asked for any names of NIST engineers that might have been involved in a crying game that anyway never happened. I was just calling him on his crap.

be confused with the pistachio vera. First cultivated in Asia, legend has it that Pinnochio loved these nuts but they had a very peculiar effect on his nose which betrayed him by growing bigger every time he told a lie. He was just a wooden puppet,of course, unlike authentic political class.