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Monday, July 6, 2009 12:00 AM

What if the Uighurs were Christian rather than Muslim?

Violent clashes in China underscore an ugly reality of the War on Terror.

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Tuesday, July 7, 2009 05:41 AM

What if..

Muslims were not bombing, beheading, stoning (as in women), covering (as in burkhas), cutting (as in arms and legs off in Somalia or wherever) etc. I think we are all just getting tired.

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 06:14 AM

@TheKiddy

You're right; I am tired.

I am tired of people whose hands are covered in blood saying "what if the other side would stop killing us?".

Sick and tired of it all.

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 06:21 AM

These are probably "the Christians" Glenn means and they are part of the "Exceptionalism" myth

Adventists often view themselves as heirs of earlier groups such as the Waldenses, Protestant Reformers including the Anabaptists, English and Scottish Puritans, evangelicals of the 18th century including Methodists, Seventh Day Baptists, and others who rejected established church traditions. They have nothing at all in common with, say, Italian, Greek, Russian, Syrian Christians. Jimmy Swarbrigg is an "exceptional" representative of this type of thinking in which the chance to make a quick buck is of prime importance.

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 06:29 AM

Gelnn - would you please comment on "Cynthia McKinney, 14 Activists Still In Israel Jail'

according to Fox news:

"We were in international waters on a boat delivering humanitarian aid to people in Gaza when the Israeli Navy ships surrounded us and illegally threatened us, dismantled our navigation equipment, boarded and confiscated the ship," she said in a statement, adding that they were immediately taken into custody.

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 06:32 AM

Sick and tired of it all?!!

THEN TRY THE NEW SUMMER DRINK!!

A little bit of Aperol with a shot of White Wine and some Sprudel (seltzer?) - and don't forget the ice -

and then Heru and the Scuzza doing THRILLER!

That's AAAH!

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 06:36 AM

Ms. Anthropia - the pudding of proof

As I had said assholitry knows no limitation of culture.

Yes, you must endure all the signs of homophobia in the worlds culture, just as homophobes must endure all the signs of cultural acceptence of homosexuality that pervade our society.

Personally, I have nothing against the various marches and parades that everyone gets, even when it means that cars become useless in my neighborhood. I like living in a free society where every one, even the Irish, get a chance to just be and be proud.

There are those who as part of their personal assholitry see their existence as incompatible with the existence of anyone who disagrees with them. Such people however usually have the good graces to move to remote communities with similarly closed minded people where they can all be closed minded together and ferret out the impure in their midst.

I however, perfer to live in a city where sights and sounds of people who are nothing like me surround and envelope me. Be they chaotic catholics, pesky protestants, agitated atheists, melonchaly muslims, or harried hindus. We all live within toe stomping distance of one another, so even though we all are convinced the other is a fool, we leave each other to our foolishness. That's what living in a free society entails, accepting the imperfection of others, even though our own feces remains odorless.

As to the call to prayer at 5 am, again, church bells at six, or political party bull horns are no less annoying, but part of living in close quarters with others. If you are so light a sleeper, put in some ear plugs, it will likewise allow you to sleep through the children in the next apartment's four am wake up call as well.

Any time, assholes find them selves in a social majority, things get nasty. The best defense against such situations is to ensure that every asshole is reminded that there are a dozen other differnt flavored assholes in the town in which they live. Church Bells, Parades, Calls to Prayer, and every other groups identity projection practice is our best defense against rampant assholes making our lives miserable.

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 06:45 AM

@mr.buck, you're probably writing about Cymthia McKinney but you shouldn't expect anyone

writing for Salon to bother about her. She's not an Uighur so isn't entrancingly exotic, she's a woman but Broadsheet is obsessed with Sara Palin (non-stop articles) and what's more she isn't a young beuty protesting on the streets of Iran with nicely-groomed eyebrows showing to perfection above a half-masked face. Cynthia McKinney is American, a former Congresswoman and presidential candidate but that doesn't matter. The media hates her, for reasons you can decide for yourself, and Salon ignores her for possibly similar reasons. Now if Cynthia decided, all of a sudden, that she was an Uighur or, better again, an Iranian dissident with a vibrant and protean sex-life, she might get some attention.

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 06:46 AM

smurf -

now you're talking - the: we blame it all on racism or religion stuff got a little old - and perhaps

if the Uighurs were Christian rather than Muslims they still wouldn't be liked by the a...h... because who does a a...h... like?!

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 06:53 AM

@NOB

"Provide some substantiated facts, examples, whereby we treated suspected terrorists differently based on their religious beliefs."

Tough job; all the Christian terrorist attacks on the US have been home grown. But, for an example, imagine if the IRA attacked a city in the US. What are the odds that the US would invade Great Britain, given that:

- The British are white.

- They're Cristian.

- They speak English.

- They administer parts of Ireland.

- They have nuclear weapons.

Do you think?

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 07:31 AM

The National Review? That's all you've got?

I found the NYT piece, if anything, sympathetic to the Uighurs, but essentially unbiased. Maybe I just read it that way because I'm sympathetic, and I do note the quote at the end from, "an ethnic Han woman who lives in an apartment," but other than that it was hardly a fawning, pro-China piece.

The Corner at NRO is hardly an mainstream establishment media source. Why not link to Ann Coulter or Michelle Malkin's blogs while you're at it? Who cares about random troglodytes in their underbritches?

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 10:21 AM

Nestorian/Manichean Uighurs

The Uighurs actually once were Christian, albeit Nestorian and Manichean. Probably didn't do them a lot of good in the 7 or so centuries they practiced those faiths before their final conversion to Islam in the 14th century.

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 01:17 PM

more valour from the Israeli military

this time the navy. They kidnapped these people in international waters is my understanding, and they only had toys and medicine on board for the people of Gaza. They not only kidnapped former Representative Cynthia Mckinney but also an Irish Nobel Peace Prize Laureate. McKinney was given deportation papers to sign but she refused to sign them. She and the others will be released but the people of Gaza will go on starving and dying of preventable diseases because they have no medicine. The Israelis are determined to starve them out so that they can install Abbas (Abbas is corrupt and lost the election but never mind) as Israel and America's puppet ruler in the West Bank just the way Bush and Cheney did with Karzai in Afghanistan. Karzai's brother is a drug lord by the way but that would only increase Karzai's usefulness to the CIA and their drug running operations out of Afghanistan.

The man they're planning to install next in Afghanistan is an actual drug lord himself so he will be even more useful.

Washington and the CIA's favoured Mujaheddin faction in Afghanistan was one of the most extreme, led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. The West's distaste for terrorism did not apply to this unsavoury “freedom fighter”. Hekmatyar was notorious in the 1970s for throwing acid in the faces of women who refused to wear the veil. America's hypocrisy over Iran would be beyond belief if it wasn't so typical of how the CIA does business. The War on Terror is a war on democracy and it is Israel and the CIA's war. If it hadn't been Muslims it would have been some other group they could demonise because the Pentagon and the CIA have to have a global enemy so they can keep on having wars and getting billions from the taxpayer to have them. America doesn't only manufacture more arms than any other country in the world, they also manufacture wars so they can sell those arms and make the arms corporations rich. It's all just one big boys' club - Wall St, the corporations, the Pentagon, the CIA, the Republican Party and its Democrat Quislings running a machine that creates discord and war all over the world so that they can make billions from it. The Uighurs are insects on a windscreen and so is anyone who isn't in the club. Dick Cheney's shares in Halliburton rose in value from $241,000 in 2001 to $8,000,000 in 2005 and after all, isn't that what really matters?

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