back up your straw-man argument that we would treat Christians any differently than we would Muslims, if we suspected those Christians of murdering, or planing to murder, US citizens.

Last I checked, Scott Roeder and other Christian terrorists aren't being deprived of sleep, waterboarded, beaten, or otherwise tortured in the effort to root out others suspected of "murdering or planning to murder" US citizens.

But NOBBY got caught in that trap and didn't even realize it: he, being the idiot that he is, thinks torture is OK - as long as it's "equal opportunity" torture for anyone who we think *might* be thinking bad thoughts about us.

O/T but Vietnam war "architect" Robert McNamara has passed on to the next plane. For anyone interested in the Vietnam War and the behind the scenes machinations of the US Govt. during the period, I highly recommend McNamara's Vietnam memoirs, "In Retrospect".

I'm not challenging your point, which has nothing to do with China, but by writing "Muslim Uighurs -- that country's long-oppressed minority" you make it sound like the Uighurs are the only significant minority group there, a gross misstatement. They are third or fourth on the official list in terms of size. There is another, slightly larger Muslim group, the Hui, who have their own little province (Ningxia). The Tibetans and the Miao are two of the better-known to Americans. "Long-oppressed" applies to many of these -- not just the Uighurs. Ethnicity in China is multi-faceted issue, especially when the linguistic and cultural differences among the supposedly monolithic "Han" population (which is anything but) are factored in.

Wikipedia: "List of ethnic groups in China"

Even when Obama patronized the Middle East with his speech about violent extremism (could you imagine Sarkozy telling Americans that he knew we weren't all imperialists?), he totally failed to mention what Americans are completely ignorant about: not only are Christian Arabs strongly against U.S. policy in the region, they also have a strong history of violent extremism, being the original Palestinian terrorists, high-jackings, bombings, etc.

Nevertheless, we are trained to believe that Islam is inherently violent because it has this notion of "jihad" which, by the way, follows the exact same international legal standards on when military force can be used, unlike the doctrine of preemption.

How hard is it to get arrested in the US for suspicion of spying or terrorism if you are:

a. a Muslim from almost anywhere;

b. a Jew from Israel?

This is the problem with religion. It trains people from childhood to accept the pronouncements of "authorities" from on-high, and to actively disdain critical thinking.

It is not the people that need enemies; it is the politicians that needs them to justify their continuing pillaging of society. So they promote religion, usually hypocritically, because it makes us easier to control by "dire threat" pronouncements.

Or perhaps the problem is less nurture and more nature; i.e. we are born to gullibility and it takes a willful effort to rise above it. Either way, we seem pretty screwed.

After reading the Koran and observing North Africans, he wrote to his wife, "Just finished reading the Koran—a good book and interesting."

In spite of his regard for the Koran, he concluded, "To me it seems certain that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammad and the utter degradation of women is the outstanding cause for the arrested development of the Arab. . . . Here, I think, is a text for some eloquent sermon on the virtues of Christianity"

It appears that Uighurs basically look like white people with varying amounts of Asian features. Some of them look entirely like regular blonde-haired, blue-eyed, Caucasians: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Uyghur_girl.jpg

It's surprising (to me) that America's hostility towards Muslims outweighs its innate sympathy for other white people.

My point was that Glenn's assumption that the support is based on our unease with islam, is false as we seem to be equally uneasy with any of opposition groups within china.

Right. That was why the Tiananmen protesters were so unpopular in the U.S.

Let’s start with the white Christians who plot every day to do harm to law abiding US citizens working in clinics that provide abortions. How about the accused murderer of Dr Tiller who is being allowed to further his terrorist activities from prison?

See: http://www.christianpost.com/article/20090704/tiller-murder-suspect/index.html

From the article:

According to The Associated Press, Scott Roeder has been sending anti-abortion pamphlets that laud Paul Hill, who was executed in 2003 for murdering an abortion provider, as an American hero.?

Do you think if Scott Roeder had been a Muslim striking a blow for Islam that things would have been different

No straw man here.

I understand your disagreement with how we have conducted the war on terror, including waterboarding and Gitmo.

Minor quibble here, but an important one. You forgot other forms of torture besides waterboarding. Want to make sure you don't overlook anything.

You have not, however, come close to proving that our motivation is one of religious prejudice.

No, Glenn has not proven that point beyond a shadow of a doubt. He has stated it as a hypothesis for discussion. As support for that (yet unproven) hypothesis, he pointed to the unfair treatment of the Uighurs, who are apparently guilty of nothing other than "being Muslim."

I would add to that our local Christianist terrorists. Scott Roeder, murderer of George Tiller, is a terrorist under the strictest definition, trying to affect public policy through the use of violence. He has openly claimed that there are others like him, and that more attacks will occur. A ticking bomb, wouldn't you say? So, I assume he's being tortured like the Muslim "terrorists" against whom our cases are much more thin? No...? Why not, do you think? Do you think if he were a Muslim terrorist making such provocative claims, that he would sitting in a comfortable cell in the US, enjoying the rights of a human being?

NOB, if you disagree with Glenn's hypothesis, please provide a competing one so we can evaluate which has merit. Simply saying "Nuh uh" is not a real argument and ultimately only damages your claim.